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Offline Orgin

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Re: Interview Titan Computer
« Reply #14 from previous page: October 28, 2002, 05:33:17 AM »
One can still keep a dialog with developers. Show API changes and so on. Tell them what to do -now- if they want to support AOS4 tomorrow and so on. What API's not to use etc. How to prepare their source code for a different compiler and so on and so on. AInc/Hyperion seem to do nothing in this area. If they want to keep developers outside their own realm interrested they have to maintain a dialog.

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Re: Interview Titan Computer
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2002, 07:03:31 AM »
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Official was used in the interview with regard to an officially Amiga branded and Amiga Inc licenced product.


Yes, noones's disputing that. I'm just saying that people reading the article understand that "official" was put in quotes because the TeronCX/A1 they refer to uses the Amiga trademark (i.e. "official" in quotes)  and there can't be an official (without quotes) product targeting an open market. Nobody's suggesting that the Amiga trademark is free for anyone to use or anything like that.

If this was about e.g. a government monopoly on telephony infrastructure, then using the word official without quotes would be correct - the government owns the copper and fiber in the ground, this is the only option available for people who want to use telephony services, competition is not allowed. This is the official "option". Anyone laying their own cables would be an un-official operation.

This is not the case with a consumer product like computer  hardware and software, it's an open market. There's no official product as long as there are alternatives and competition.

The TeronCX/A1 is ONE product distributed by ONE company, aimed at a market that has alternatives available.

Thus the quotation marks surrounding the word "official".

Write the author and request that they remove the word entirely if it bugs you so. You simply have to come to terms with that people who don't unreservedly and automatically agree with everything that emanates from whatever company that happens to own a certain trademark at a given time are not FUD-mongers, traitors, backstabbers or heretics.

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Ralph Schimdt and Bill Buck made these allegations public themselves. IMO this should have stayed behind closed doors at time,


What? Come on! Just look at ANN. This crap was brought up and has been perpetuated by people like Hermans and fleecy ever since the MOS project was announced and long before anyone knew that Bill Buck even was still alive or had heard of something called Thendic. The embarrassing "we won't point fingers but our IP is being stolen and we'll shut you down after Sept. 1" Amiwest stunt is particularly noteworthy, and one of the more blatant examples of what Michael Garlich is referring to in the interview. Like both you and he says, if one has allegations to make you address them privately and if that doesn't work you go to court.
When Buck behaved with an absolutely stunning lack of judgement to put it mildly and published a private e-mail discussion with fleecy, then that was not about any doubts about MOS' legality IIRC, but cooperation and licensing issues.
Anyway it doesn't matter who started it. If it indeed was the MOS team, then AInc and their affiliates shouldn't have perpetuated it over the years. Everything about this affair and modus operandi stinks, and the smell is everywhere.
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Re: Interview Titan Computer
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2002, 07:22:30 AM »
@Alchemist ( it's "Seehund" BTW ;) )

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you really do talk crap.

the windowsOS market is owned by MicroSoft.

the MacOS/Apple HW market is owned by Apple.

the AmigaOS/HW market is owned by Amiga.inc.

No One else can use the names of any of these for them selfs.

IF you owne the IP you own that market no matter how big or small that market is.



Wow. You misinterpreted what I said so TOTALLY that it's not even funny!

No, the market that MS is targeting with their Windows product is NOT owned by MS, or anybody else. That market is a bunch of people who are potential buyers of an operating system for SOHO computing and gaming (let's restrict this to WinXP Home ed. for this example's sake). WinXP is not "the official" OS of this market, it's one product on that market. Competitors to MS are not "backstabbers" or "uncooperative".

OF COURSE MS owns the rights of Windows and it's trademarks (thank you, Captain Obvious!), but they DO NOT own the market to which they're trying to sell their product.

Same thing with AmigaOS/TeronCX and all your other examples, it's just different markets. Well, Apple and MS do compete on the same market to a large extent, which makes the notion of OWNING a market even more silly.

The markets are the targets and playgrounds of these companies, not their properties.

Sheesh!
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Re: Interview Titan Computer
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2002, 08:12:40 AM »
@ Kronos/Seehund

Yes, it was Ralph Schmidt who made this public in interviews and through messages on public message boards. It's quite some time ago now, surely long before you heard anything from Ben with regard to this subject.

When one party trows allegations into the public, IMO the other party is fully entitled to give their standpoint to the public as well. Much later when things were calming down a little, it was Bill Buck who publicly revealed a confidential email conversation with Fleecy Moss, again confirming that Amiga Inc considers MorphOS to be an illegal product.

@ Seehund

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and there can't be an official (without quotes) product targeting an open market


Well Amiga/Hyperion own the official AmigaOS market (companies need to acquire licences), just like Apple owns the official MacOS X market. That does not mean Hyperion or anyone else may not target MacOS X or MorphOS users.

I never have seen people within other OS communities getting wind up as much about this, as MorphOS fans. It has to be clear, MorphOS is not AmigaOS as else the OS designers needed to buy the rights (Source code, but at least the brandname) for millions of dollars themselves or they needed to come to an agreement with current owners.

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government monopoly on telephony infrastructure, then using the word official without quotes would be correct


Telephony is a service, you would therefor need to clearly specify to what official is referring to.

For instance there is no official Cola. However there are official Coca Colas or Pepsi Colas. Within the Macintosh market nowadays there only exists one official MacOS X hardware supplier, even if the Pegasos and AmigaOne will also be able to run MacOS X.

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Write the author and request that they remove the word entirely if it bugs you so.


LOL, who said that it bugs me so much? I only said it was a bad idea. IMO in general the interviewer did a good job.
 

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Re: Interview Titan Computer
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2002, 04:02:44 PM »
>Yes, it was Ralph Schmidt who made this public in
>interviews and through messages on public
>message boards. It's quite some time ago now,
>surely long before you heard anything from Ben
>with regard to this subject.

Sorry, but where have you been in the years 1996-
2000? You better should really read everything from
the beginning.

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Re: Interview Titan Computer
« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2002, 10:40:43 PM »
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Funny world you are living in !


I have to go with MikeB on this one. funny world you are living in Kronos, really!
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