MOS / OS4 FAQ

[seer]

A not so bad comparison of OS4 / MOS can be found here...

Maybe he could include a hardware part to (Peggy vs A-One hardware)

[System]

Some notes:

> 1.2 What we know about AmigaOS4

There's a very extensive feature list. (There currently isn't one available publicly for MorphOS though)

> 1.4 Who is behind AmigaOS4
> It is a Hyperion project comissioned by Amiga Inc.

Hyperion *lead* project, would be more correct.

> 1.7 What do you mean "certified AmigaONE"
> AmigaONEs in the current generation are stock PPC motherboards with an "anti-
> piracy" feature locking the board to a particular installation of
> AmigaOS4.0.

This is very misleading as the board is not locked to AmigaOS4, but instead AmigaOS4 is "locked" to the board. It can run any other OS.

> 1.8 What is this "legal stink" or "FUD" between Amiga INC and MorphOS
> No real facts are known, at this stage it is all conjecture apart from
> allegation and counter allegation made on public fora by people that should
> know better.

Although public available facts are real thin. (and in an ideal situation this should remain this way) Some facts are publicly known, such as Bill McEwen's statements. It is publicly known that the MorphOS team denies usage of AmigaOS source code, but does not want to make a statement with regard to access to AmigaOS source code.

> It is claimed by some that Haage&Partner will not let Amiga INC use the
> AmigaOS 3.5+ source. No details are available to the public on this either.

This is of course impossible as many other coders instead of only H&P coders were involved. (use of *some* source code would therefor be more accurate)

> 1.9 Why is there a FUD war?
> It is in the interest of each party that both sides have their extremist
> advocates that spread misinformation and innuendo to undermine the
> credibility of each solution. We ask you to judge the products by their
> merits on release and stay above such behaviour.

I do not agree, IMO it is in neither party's best interest.

[System]

Just one little question. Why didn't you take the time to mail the maintainer of the site?

There's a link to do that on the page, and if you think the text is wrong you really should use it.

Regards,
Zerohero

[System]

Actually there is no link on that page. But I have emailed the maintainer.

I only just read through that page and therefor I thought it would be a good idea to respond. I doubt everyone will go through that list everyday to see if the "facts" are still up-to-date.

[DaveP]

Mike

That is strange because when I looked at the FAQ
a few days ago it told you where to email the maintainer at the bottom.

Oh it still does!

ps. Digby has taken the time to respond to your "facts" on ANN:
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1034360747&category=rant&number=13

I doubt too that people will take the time to update the FAQ every day but then stuff happens on the scene that effects it like once a month maximum.

You sound more than a little sour about the FAQ - is it
because it talked about MorphOS first? No doubt
reflect and Digby would have got s**t from the MOS fans if AOS was first...

[System]

No, I am not sour, but IMO it would have been best to let Ben Hermans and other leading (MorphOS/Amiga Inc) figures read this list and wait for their responses, at least before releasing this as *the* facts or "FUDBUSTER" list publicly.

This statement bothers me the most however:

"It is in the interest of each party that both sides have their extremist advocates that spread misinformation"

I could not disagree more. IMO such acts hurt the entire Amiga community.

[xisp]

This statement bothers me the most however:
"It is in the interest of each party that both sides have their extremist advocates that spread misinformation"
I could not disagree more. IMO such acts hurt the entire Amiga community.

Really? I think the opposite: The current situation reminds me of hooligans in football(soccer) clubs. These will always say they can't control them, but everybody knows that they are their main benefactors. Football Clubs are just like companies, they like to have such "supportive" clients, and wont let them go for anything. They are a weapon.

The difference is that there are more powerful organizations that can punish those clubs if there are great incidents with those hooligans.

There is no such organization in the Amiga community. Only true facts can stop FUD thrown from one side or another. But who can tell what is a true fact or an oppinion?

I think companies would do ANYTHING to destroy their competitors. Sad fact is that this is only an oppinion and cannot hold it as a fact without clear evidences. But I'm sure there is a great majority of people that thinks the same. So, that statement has its place in that very sensible FAQ, not as a fact but a reflect of a very common oppinion.

[DaveP]

You are posting a lot of comments that do sound like it has wound you up.

I do not read it so harshly. I read that statement as being pretty true. I also agree with you that it hurts the marketplace in general but it does not say
"it is in the interest of the community that there is incessant flame war" it is pointing out it is in Amiga Incs interest to have doubts over the legality of a competitor product ( true ) and it is in Thendics interest to have doubts over the ability of Hyperion and co to progress for childish reason X,Y,Z and it is in Thendics interest that a personal vendetta is carried out against Amiga Inc over the licensing and branding of Amiga hardware.

[DaveP]

"but IMO it would have been best to let Ben Hermans and other leading (MorphOS/Amiga Inc) figures read this list and wait for their responses,"

Oh so we get this in several months and it would come back completely uncorrupted by either side and totally unbiased eh? lol! This from a buch of idiots that can't write once decent press release between them.

" at least before releasing this as *the* facts or "FUDBUSTER" list publicly."

Where does this say it is the one true version of the facts ( what you are implying ). It even goes as far to say treat the FAQ with the same "skepticism" as the rest of what you hear!

[System]

> it is in Amiga Incs interest to have doubts over the
> legality of a competitor product ( true )

I do not agree, however IMO it is very important for the Amiga community to understand why legal action(s) may have to be taken.

But IMO it is NOT in Amiga Inc's interest for people to believe that  the Amiga market includes criminals.

[DaveP]

"But IMO it is NOT in Amiga Inc's interest for people to believe that the Amiga market includes criminals. "

*grin*

Oh I see what you are saying quite clearly. You are
saying, beating around the bush a bit, that Amiga Inc
made all these public announcements and Fleecy and Ben ANN posts about the "illegality" of the MorphOS project ( unproven ) to prepare us.

However that just happens to drive those of us that
want to buy a "legal" product away from MorphOS - I mean who would back an OS that has legal doubts over it - it might get sued into oblivion!

Oh hang on thats in Amiga Incs direct interest because more people are now likely to buy AmigaOS4 and treat MorphOS as a lower credibility non alternative.

If they were so noble minded why didnt they just lodge a court case instead of constantly repeating the ( unproven in court ) allegations on public forums WITHOUT taking action?

Why would ANYONE do that?

Hmmmm

To prepare the "amiga community"

Dont make me laugh.

However the FAQ does NOT degenerate to this level of fluff picking it just warns people that it is in the interest of Company A that fans of company A spread rumour about potential problems with competitor company B, its products or its staff. That is what FUD is!

Sticking your head in the sand won't help anyone Mike.

Dave

AmigOS advocate and Hyperion fan.

[System]

IMO you are wrong, these issues will result in *less* AmigaOS4 and MorphOS sales. Because of these issues, Amiga Inc is viewed as incompetent and the Amiga market as a bunch of situation abusing criminals.

For the record, nobody of you know if legal action is being taken, or if some cases deserve priority, as they are easier to win and there are only limited resources available.

[DaveP]

"IMO you are wrong, these issues will result in *less* AmigaOS4 and MorphOS sales. Because of these issues Amiga Inc is viewed as incompetent and the Amiga market as a bunch of situation abusing criminals."

LOL :-) Yep. But then its not total market that these fools look at when they get into these situation it is market share. What better way to ensure your market share is the biggest if you can convince the market that your competitor is:
a. out of cash
b. illegally sourcing its products
c. not able to complete work on time
d. incompetant
e. subject to legal action
f. using slave labor
g. smoking far too many camberwell carrots to get the job done

"For the record, nobody of you know if legal action is being taken, or if some cases deserve priority, as they are easier to win and there are only limited resources available."

Well quite. It sayes that in the FUDBUSTER too.

[DaveP]

I am still trying to find in the FUDBUSTER FAQ where it sayes that it is **the** facts.

1.9.2 sayes this even:  "Its business, look for the intent behind the innuendo and treat everything reported as fact ( including this FAQ ) with guarded suspiscion."

[System]

This list is being presented as a non-biased facts list. But actually it combines facts, with opinions and some misleading information I have pointed out. IMO there is enough available of that already.

I truly dislike the idea that people who spread misinformation around do somehow something positive for market or community.