MorphOS statement about its legal status

[DaveP]

@Kronos

I realise you are just giving me your opinion but i am sceptical
about your conclusions.

1. Doesnt tally with the statement. They say blessing of company.
AROS != Company. If they had meant AROS they would have
said "other sources with the blessing of the company".

2. Which books contain the OS3.x sources?  There are really OLD books out there one of which if
I recall contains the OS1.2 source code - well most of it
but the revisions 1.3->3.0 make this almost useless.


PS:
I thought you were in a different league to Cheesegrate but
I see you using "name" a lot as a veiled insult and here again.
Don't you think it is going to get people riled up on a thread that was always
going to be sensitive and might end up as a useless flame war?
I realise you mean it as a joke but a joke oft repeated loses
its humour.

[Kronos]

@DaveP

AROS had the blessing of several owners of the name (or Amiga
if you like that better), so it could easily be meant.
Sources for Exec_1.x, are still usefull, because Exec still works
in the same way.

Try to read it as this:

Why should we use AOS-sources (often in asm or HW-hitting)
when free alternativs exist ?

It's not about believing NoBucksBill or yesterdays deadline
for me, but about the fact what has been (not) done by AInc
in the last 18 months or so.

According to Ben MorphOS has been illegal from the start, and
he had the proove for it. After the failed MOS=OS4 talks it
became pretty clear that bPlan where planning to go on on their
own (and now with Thendic). If AInc had taken legal action last
year, than they might have had a chance to bring back the lost
"sheep", which is impossible now. But what they have allready
reached is fanatizing the "community", and raising fear and
uncertainty among the undecided.

Thats probraly all they ever wanted, and a trial was never a real
option.

[Ivan]

>I don't get what Thendic think they will accomplish with this statement.

It's FUD.

(for those who dont know, FUD=Fear Uncertainty and Disinformation)


Ivan

[DaveP]

OK I get your point now :-)

[Ivan]

>Shouting "illegal" in public forums without ever delievering any
>proof is unfair competition, and if AInc/Ben can't proove
>their accusations then they can be sued over them.

I remember Thendic calling it an Amiga, then an NG Amiga, then an
Amiga replacement. etc etc etc. Thendic's been backpeddeling the
whole way and HAS given the impression that its an Amiga system.

As for MOS and what sources were used, you can speculate all you
want in favour of the MOS side, its still just speculation and
MOS still only offers legacy emulation. Nothing new here people,
use UAE or Amithilon. It's alot cheaper for legacy compatability
and alot more work has been put into them. UAE has been around for
years.


P.S. Kronos, stop with the 'the name' bullsh!t trolling already.

Ivan

[GadgetMaster]

@ Ivan

Just a little correction and an elaboration on the term FUD. (Fear Uncertainty Doubt)

FUD  /fuhd/ An acronym invented by Gene Amdahl after he left IBM to found his own company: "FUD is the fear, uncertainty, and doubt that IBM sales people instill in the minds of potential customers who might be considering [Amdahl] products." The idea, of course, was to persuade them to go with safe IBM gear rather than with competitors' equipment. This implicit coercion was traditionally accomplished by promising that Good Things would happen to people who stuck with IBM, but Dark Shadows loomed over the future of competitors' equipment or software.

[Kronos]

@Ivan

Sure it's all specualtion, and thats all we've seen in the last years.

Both MOS and OS4 will start with legacy emulation (no/few
native apps) and will try to move ahead from there.

So Amithlon/UAE will be the most sensible choice of all three
in the near future.

And before you start on OS4-features, you should remember that
none of this has been shown in real life, and the MOS_1.0
will be far more than 0.4.

[GadgetMaster]

@Kronos

Deny it if you choose, but I think you have inside information on this topic. ;-)  :-D

[Kronos]

@Gadget

Not really, but I may be forced to get a#
bit less vocal in 11 days  ;-)

[Ivan]

>Sure it's all specualtion, and thats all we've seen in the last years.
>Both MOS and OS4 will start with legacy emulation (no/few
>native apps) and will try to move ahead from there.

True enough.

>So Amithlon/UAE will be the most sensible choice of all three
>in the near future.

Unless of course you want the latest version of the OS. If you wan't
emulators for outdated versions they are available. I hear you can
emulate old versions of MACOS on Amiga's too. I'd rather have a MAC
to use MAC apps though. Wouldn't you?

>will be far more than 0.4.

Was that a typo or are you some kind of fanatic who has to bash
anything Amiga whenever he can?

Ivan

[GadgetMaster]

I think he was referring to MorphOS V0.4 and saying that the V1.0 will be much different.

[DaveP]

Yes and FUD now has a generic meaning.

1/ Like saying that because no one answered telephones at AInc
at 0300 hours in the morning means that AInc has run out
of money and has been shut down.

2/ Like saying that there is no way that AOS4 could catch up
with MorphOS because MorphOS has been in development
for years and AOS had not ( not only fud but factually
and logically incorrect as well as illustrating a lack of basic
understanding about project management ).

3.. etc

All designed to put people off one platform, company without
any real factual basis.

I still don't believe the claim that MOS is an innocent in this
and that it has never abused the Amiga name ( next gen Amiga
etc all been used before ). A lot of sour grapes has come from the
MOS "faction" especially since losing the contract for OS4.

Thendic are in my view in a league of thier own and I disregard them
and give them my utter contempt and they bring BPlan no credibility
what-so-ever.

On the other hand Ben Hermans during a few flame wars
where he was trying to explain how a hypothetical legal
case could be built perpetrated some FUD himself.

I have said from the start, lets shut up and let them go
to court to settle this, its the only way. Even if they settle
amicably the "factions" will make ludicrous claims that
it was because one side or the other caved in or realised
they wouldnt win etc and pretend to have inside knowledge.

The factions are absolutely pathetic in their behaviour as are
some of the companies involved.

Releasing bullish public statements like the ones linked
are all part of the game and are nothing new. But suggesting
the community will turn against Amiga Inc if AInc actually
go to court is just childish and does not allow for the fact
that most people can think for themselves and are happy
to watch BUSINESSES fight it out. Sure a small subset
of the community are going to get all arsey and even start
silly campaigns but the silent mature majority will just shut
the f*ck up and let them get on with it.

My last word on the subject I promise :-D

[Ivan]

>I think he was referring to MorphOS V0.4 and saying that the V1.0 will be much different.

My mistake, i apologize.

[Kronos]

@Gadget

And I thought that had been clear ....

@Ivan

Yes I believe that MOS_1.0 will be more than OS4, and I
have no problem saying that in normal terms.

[Coder]

Using the name Amiga with a product will draw some attention offcourse. And that is what one wants offcourse.

Coder

[z5]

I'm getting really sick and tired about all that OS4/MorphOS stuff.

AmigaInc? Well, instead of spending time on looking at what the competition does, maybe they should do something themselves instead of speaking empty words. Weren't they announcing at latest Amiga show that they are 18 months behind with AmigaDE? So how long do they exist? 2 years or 3?  It's quite easy to make conclusions, i think. Nobody even knows if there are still people working at Amiga Inc (how can there be if you are 18 months behind shedule)?

MorpOs? Well, they are parasites, claiming not to be interested in the Amiga but there is not one day they don't appear on the Amiga news sites. They have one of the most unpolite and damn rude people at the "top" (hum if you can call this top). But this does not say anything about the product MorphOs of which we know very little (no screenshots, no specs,...). It may be good, who knows? The MorphOs followers have put it in a very bad light imo. But again, it may well be good, so judgement when it is released.

This whole MorphOS - OS4 battle has made the Amiga platform a very sad platform to be interested in. While i have made the good decision not to visit ANN again (never), it is not fun anymore. It's damn right depressing sometimes. Luckily there still is the unbelievable and often very funny Amiga.Org forum, otherwise  :-x