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Amiwest interview with thomas frieden
« on: July 28, 2002, 07:59:33 AM »
For those of you with slow connections who can't download the large audio MP3 file, here's a synopsis of the Thomas Frieden interview.


I just listen to the amiwest interview with Thomas Frieden.

Here are some of the more significant things that were said during the intervoew...

The ExecSG is practically completed.

There's still heavy work being done on Intuition

The TCP/IP stack is practially finnished, it is one of the fatsest TCP/IP stacks ever implemented on the Amiga.

Developing is done on classic systems.

The hardware abstraction layer is still in flux, once it's nailed down getting OS 4 running on the A-one hardware will take a week or two.

The reason why a lot of the OS4.2 features are being implemented in OS4.0 is because the resposiveness of the system would have suffered if these features where to be run under 68k emulation.

They are aiming for a skinnable os eventually but OS4 will just be configurable similar to visualprefs birdie magic menu. etc.
 
The bootscreen and bootmenu will remain in OS4

Virtual memory is being implemented from scratch by Thomas. They're not using existing solutions due to responsiveness.

Thomas is fairly sure OS4 will be released before the end of the year.

Now don't take my word on any of the above, it's what I remember of the interview. I may have missunderstood some points or confused some things..


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Re: Amiwest interview with thomas frieden
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2002, 08:14:19 AM »
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homas is fairly sure OS4 will be released before the end of the year.


I think I have said it before....
Next year....
Hey come on... you guys at amiga/Hyperion could do better...

We won't see an A1 or SharkPPC before AOS4 is released... But how long do we have to wait...
And.. what about all those ppl who bougth an "I am amiga" club membership.. do they have to wait until next year...

I know this is just my own speculation... But I am very tired of waiting..  Things get pushed further and further in to the future...  

Any way, personally I think that Mos and Pegasos is the way to go... If that is ever finished...

Maybe the way is X86 Amithlon ??? Or Linux...

Or is it just me ???
 

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Re: Amiwest interview with thomas frieden
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2002, 08:16:17 AM »
It's just you
 

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Re: Amiwest interview with thomas frieden
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2002, 08:21:31 AM »
Thank you... And I really mean it...

If it is just me, then everything is going well...
Which I really hope....

I would like to buy an A1 + AOS4 in august or very soon...

Cross my fingers...  :-D  :-D
 

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Re: Amiwest interview with thomas frieden
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2002, 09:44:21 AM »
I don't give a Flying F**K how long I have to wait!

I will buy Amithlon 2.0 (when it is out) and use it until AmigaOS4/A1 is finished and available.

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Re: Amiwest interview with thomas frieden
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2002, 10:58:31 AM »
@Loki: You're not alone; Amithlon seems as the life saver I need while waiting for the A1.

@yssing: There's nothing wrong with the Pegasos (heck, it seems as the only thing that separate the two is the modem/IrDA and the absense/presense of a CPU socket). The real problem as I see it is MorphOS which is a wild card in the equation; will it be overall the better choice, or not. I respect the choice, but you can't convince me that you take a lesser risc; MorphOS may have a better chance being more mature at it's release, but then what? Atleast AInc have the aim of merging with the AmigaDE (which I seriusly doubt the MorphOS will be able to compete with due to the borrowed Tao technology). But then again, MorphOS have been on the move for a long time and that may prove to be the advantage it needs.

Those are just my opinions and the argument that both OS's are vapourware can be considered true; because they are. We will just have to wait and see if and when the releases come and what they really are like. Don't let my opinions start a flame war; they are just opinions based on things I've seen so far and is subject to constant changes and/or modifications depending on the newsflow.

Is there any info about the plans for MorphOS (feature list, future, etc)?
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Re: Amiwest interview with thomas frieden
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2002, 01:56:07 PM »
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Is there any info about the plans for MorphOS (feature list, future, etc)?


There is a JVM in development (by Thendic), and that is something
I would prefer to the ability of playing PlanetZed on a desktop  :-P

R.S. and his team have said several times that they wouldn't announce
anything before it is ready (atleast as long as MorphOS1.0 isn't released)
and the Radeon-driver is a good example.

You should also keep in mind that it will quite a while before DE/divx/flash/??
are really finished and intregrated in OS4 (just look at the time AInc and
Hyperion needed to get where they are right now).
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

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Re: Amiwest interview with thomas frieden
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2002, 02:06:04 PM »
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The ExecSG is practically completed.


More or less the same than said 3/4/5 months ago ....

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The TCP/IP stack is practially finnished


And has been since last year  ;-)

 
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The hardware abstraction layer is still in flux,


Wasn't that one of the 1st things that should have been done ?

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once it's nailed down getting OS 4 running on the A-one hardware will take a week or two.


Either their definition of a HAL( or what can be called OS4) is quite
different from mine (which would mean more work) or they are simple
unrealistic.

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Thomas is fairly sure OS4 will be released before the end of the year.


See you next year  :-P
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2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
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Re: Amiwest interview with thomas frieden
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2002, 02:16:22 PM »
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Either their definition of a HAL( or what can be called OS4) is quite


Then tell us, what is your definition of a HAL?
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Re: Amiwest interview with thomas frieden
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2002, 02:35:12 PM »
@Peggus

A HAL is the layer between the OS and it's API and the actual device-
drivers.
Take CGX/P96 for example:
On the one side you have the gfx/layers-replacement libs, and on the
other side you have the divers for the actual cards. The definition
of how these two interact with each other is the HAL.

The OS4-HAL would define one generic PCI/IDE-driver, but the
actual low-level-drivers for the A1 or the A1200/4000 are not really
a part of it.

So either they mean that they will need two weeks after they finished
the HAL(including A1-drivers), which would allready be quite optimistic,
or they think they could write the low.level-drivers in two weeks, which
is an outright joke.
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

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Re: Amiwest interview with thomas frieden
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2002, 03:04:49 PM »
>Either their definition of a HAL( or what can be
>called OS4) is quite different from mine (which
>would mean more work) or they are simple
>unrealistic.

He didn't say that OS4 will only need 2 weeks to be
ported to the AmigaOne, but that they only need 2
weeks for porting a first version of the HAL/ExecSG
to the AmigaOne.
 

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Re: Amiwest interview with thomas frieden
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2002, 03:04:54 PM »
Never before, in the last 10 years, has this community been so close to Decent hardware and a decent OS upgrade. It would be stupid to get out of the community based on the fact things are taking a while.

This is a major upgrade, you cant complete an OS upgrade of this scale in several months with the resources Hyperion or Amiga Inc has.

Wait till the end of the year, possibly thurther because this is an Awsome upgrade and its going to take a while.
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Re: Amiwest interview with thomas frieden
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2002, 04:39:55 PM »
The way to go is AROS ;).

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Re: Amiwest interview with thomas frieden
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2002, 04:56:02 PM »
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The way to go is AROS ;).


Yeah or Amithlon with Native X86 programs...
I think that Amithlon might be the way..

See you next year Hyperion....

It seems to me that more and more things are beeing implemted in to OS4, which results in things never being done.

I just remeber some things I learned in "computer school (Datamatikker for danskere)" don't do more than what was ordered, or you won't keep your time schedule, and the end product will most likely not be as good as it could be...
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Re: Amiwest interview with thomas frieden
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2002, 05:21:29 PM »
Keep in mind that if there will be an OS4 released before the end of this year it will be the one for the PPC add-on cards. And as for Amithlon 2, well if you saw one of the topics here on org you see that Amithlon 2 is farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr from being released.

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