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A4000 had a bath, now need to remove leaking battery!
« on: September 26, 2003, 08:04:40 PM »
OK, I've cleaned down my A4000 and I need to remove my leaking battery.

Hit a stump though! How do I disconnect it? Do I just take the barrel from the two protruding pins or do I take the pins (well thin flat pieces of metal) with the battery from the underside of the motherboard?

If I disconnect the holder, which of the three holes do I connect my wire which will connect to my new battery. There are 3 positive holes where I could put it.

If I don't get rid of the holder, there are two prongs available on both the positive and negative ends. Which do I use? Or does it not matter as they're not seperated before they reach the board?

Anyone who's done this before give me a bit of feedback on how best to unsolder the battery.

Sorry for the lack of terminology :-)




 

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Re: A4000 had a bath, now need to remove leaving battery!
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2003, 08:09:09 PM »
When I did my A3000 I simply cut off the battery at the feet with a pair of angle cutters (dikes).  Then I cleaned up what was left and soldered to the board.  (In hindsite it would have been easier to solder to the stubby legs though).
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Re: A4000 had a bath, now need to remove leaving battery!
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2003, 08:15:20 PM »
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The "two prongs" aren't seperate, they join at the base, so it doesn't matter which you use because they are the same electrical contact. I'd opt to leave the holder in and solder to that.

 

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Re: A4000 had a bath, now need to remove leaking battery!
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2003, 08:28:59 PM »
Yes desolder the 3 pins from underneath the motherboard.
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Re: A4000 had a bath, now need to remove leaking battery!
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2003, 09:00:45 PM »
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If I don't get rid of the holder, there are two prongs available on both the positive and negative ends. Which do I use? Or does it not matter as they're not seperated before they reach the board?


Cut the holder with dikes as advised.  The prongs join at the base so it doesn't matter.  Later you could use them to solder an external battery to.
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Re: A4000 had a bath, now need to remove leaking battery!
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2003, 10:02:06 PM »
The end with the two pins is the positive end.  It's important to solder whatever your replacement is with this in mind.  The reason one end had two prongs was to make installation idiot proof such that it was impossible to get it the wrong way around.

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Re: A4000 had a bath, now need to remove leaking battery!
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2003, 10:56:30 PM »
Hi Slash,

Ok, first off - my way is by far the best way, however you will need to be at least semi proficient at soldering, or at least have a steady hand.

Ok, turn the motherboard (mobo) over and look at the main track side of the board (the side without the battery on).  You will notice that underneath the battery, at one end of it there are THREE solder holes. The other end has just one.

Now the battery you have on there (Barrel) has a one pin leg at the negative end, and a 2pin leg at the positive end. These two pins go into the outside two holes, leaving the third, middle one, unused.

Those three holes in alignment all do Exactly the same thing - take current away from the positive end of the battery. The other end is similar - just the one hole, and takes current from the negative end.

I Strongly suggest desoldering the battery completely then attaching your two wires into the single hole, and any of the three on the positive end (though the middle one will be by far the easiest as it already has solder present whereas this next phase might lose you the solder in the outside two holes).

To desolder:  do NOT expect to get the battery out with just a few dabs of the iron, its a gradual process. Start with the single leg (we are still on the underside of the mobo here). Apply the irons heat to the joint and then gently pull the negative end of the battery from the other side. You should feel it give way a little (but hardly at all). Stop desoldering and let that cool.

You dont want to give too much heat to any join for any length of time as if you do you run the risk of damaging the board, but shortish contacts, just enough to melt the solder, is fine.

Move onto the double leg end of the battery. Again, to one of the legs apply the iron, just enough to be able to feel the battery give a little as you (gently) pull on it. Repeat on the last leg. Now go back and repeat the cycle. Every time you melt the solder, move the battery a little bit further out of the mobo and eventually it will come out completley. If you have a solder-sucker then this will be even quicker. Usually three or maybe four cycles of legs is enough to take it off totally.

Once that's done attach your two wires in place of the battery. You may need to add in a little bit of new solder to make the contacts. Make sure the wires are at least 5cm's long - that way when you solder the battery onto the other ends you wont run the risk of heating the mobo up at all via the wires.

Dont forget to get the +/- the right way around. On the mobo, underneath where the battery used to be (top side) will be a + and - notation in case you ever forget ;-)

If you'r at all in doubt then contact your nearest User Group and ask for help. If SEAL is anywhere near you then I'd be glad to offer my services if you or anyone else needs them. I've done this sort of thing many a time now ;-)

Hope that helps.

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Re: A4000 had a bath, now need to remove leaking battery!
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2003, 11:11:31 PM »
 :lol: I hope the poor guy has had enough advice :lol:

Although I must admit Bifford's way is the cleanest way, but do we all have decent desoldering equipment?  Perhaps its time to consult the DoomMaster :-P
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Re: A4000 had a bath, now need to remove leaking battery!
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2003, 12:24:20 AM »
Batteries

Manufacturer -- Part/Model#
Daytona Industries, Inc. -- COMP-16-3P
AT&T -- 6300, 6300+
COMPUTERLAND -- BC88, 286
HYUNDAI -- SUPER 16TE
 

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Re: A4000 had a bath, now need to remove leaking battery!
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2003, 02:26:49 AM »
The Varta part number for the 3.6V 70mAh Ni-MH battery is V80H.
It is exactly the same size and shape as the original "barrel" battery.

Most industrial electronics supplies have them such as Farnell and RS.

I also have a stock of them here, NZ$14 each (about 7 Euro).
Not sure about international shipping though, as they may be considered dangerous good??
 

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Re: A4000 had a bath, now need to remove leaking battery!
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2003, 03:13:01 AM »
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Rigger wrote:
Batteries

Manufacturer -- Part/Model#
Daytona Industries, Inc. -- COMP-16-3P
AT&T -- 6300, 6300+
COMPUTERLAND -- BC88, 286
HYUNDAI -- SUPER 16TE


And Varta

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Re: A4000 had a bath, now need to remove leaking battery!
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2003, 03:41:39 AM »
I used a side cutter and cut out my battery, then desoldered the brackets.  I then soldered two wires to the motherboard, where the old battery mounted, and connected a 3.6V cordless phone battery with a plug and socket so that it can be unplugged and replaced when necessary.  No more leaky battery on the motherboard!
 

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Re: A4000 had a bath, now need to remove leaking battery!
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2003, 08:23:03 AM »
Couldn't you simply use an exacto knife or razor to seperate the barrel battery from it's support brackets, and then just solder the wire to the brackets themselves? Thus not soldering anything to the motherboard itself and reducing the risk factor a great deal?

I would also highly recommend covering the rest of the motherboard up with news print as you'd really hate to accidently splatter solder onto the motherboard. I accidently did that but luckily the solder didn't land anywhere important. *phew* :-o

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Re: A4000 had a bath, now need to remove leaking battery!
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2003, 09:33:44 AM »
Hi !

Ask to www.amiga.fr, it's "Amiga Repair Center". He is very professional and very fast!

I bough my fully revised 4000 there, as well as my CV64/3D. As soon as, one of my hardware stuff had pb, he always manage to repair it when possible.

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Re: A4000 had a bath, now need to remove leaking battery!
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2003, 10:01:55 AM »
hmm