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Anti-Copy Bill Slams Coders
« on: June 14, 2002, 02:30:39 AM »
Something from our AO forums that maybe of interest in light of the current debate about and petition against Amiga, Inc.'s copy protection and licensing of Amiga OS 4.0.



"A bill introduced this week by Sen. Fritz Hollings (D-South Carolina) would roil the electronics industry by forcibly embedding copy protection into all digital devices, from MP3 players to cell phones, fax machines, digital cameras and personal computers.

But the Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act (CBDTPA) would also wreak havoc on programmers and software companies -- both those distributing code for free and those selling it.

No more than two years and seven months after the bill becomes law, the only code programmers and software firms will be able to distribute must have embedded copy-protection schemes approved by the federal government."

The full article is here.
 

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Re: Anti-Copy Bill Slams Coders
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2002, 02:36:29 AM »
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Re: Anti-Copy Bill Slams Coders
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2002, 03:21:15 AM »
Well, isn't that a lovely bunch of crap!!
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Re: Anti-Copy Bill Slams Coders
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2002, 03:25:33 AM »
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Well, isn't that a lovely bunch of crap!!

By what I gather this means that every coder (be him PD, Commercial, Free or whatever) will have to purchase the linsencing thing to code legally if so it is a loada DRE :-x  :-x  :-x
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Re: Anti-Copy Bill Slams Coders
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2002, 03:42:31 AM »
Yeah, I've been following this lapdog's antics on The Register. He's a fully bought-out idiot, blindly following the dictates of a lot of other idiots who own the big media companies. All it would do in practice is destroy the US electronics and software industries.

Anyone read up about Prohibition recently?

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Re: Anti-Copy Bill Slams Coders
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2002, 03:43:08 AM »
:-( It seems to me that if a programer is not permitted to share software without embedding goverment mandated code, it would constitute a violation of the people's right to free speech, as protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.
 
:evil: Hopefully this bill will be shot down in flames.
 

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Re: Anti-Copy Bill Slams Coders
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2002, 03:51:35 AM »
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Anyone read up on Prohibition recently?


;-) That's when America had its first drive-by shootings; dealers fighting over territory.  Today, speak-easies are a thing of the past, and most of our young people haven't even heard of them.
 

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Re: Anti-Copy Bill Slams Coders
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2002, 03:59:33 AM »
Holy ####!!! :-x  :-x  :-x
That is about the lamest thing that I have ever seen. Does this mean that you guys "over there" will have to have a licence argeement for the SW in your watches?
What kind of idiot would come upd with an idea like this?  :roll:
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Re: Anti-Copy Bill Slams Coders
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2002, 03:59:33 AM »
Holy ####!!! :-x  :-x  :-x
That is about the lamest thing that I have ever seen. Does this mean that you guys "over there" will have to have a licence argeement for the SW in your watches?
What kind of idiot would come upd with an idea like this?  :roll:
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Re: Anti-Copy Bill Slams Coders
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2002, 05:05:47 AM »
DeCSS judge: Code isn't free speech
Anyone know if this has been over turned?

An earlier article in 99'
Is code free speech?

Nov 01'

Court upholds ban on DVD-cracking code


hmm, looks like it might depend on individual program as to weither they are expressive in making a point or art.
 

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Re: Anti-Copy Bill Slams Coders
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2002, 05:41:18 AM »
These judges and politicians are retardlicans who have no business even THINKING about technical matters.  The ones who aren't morons, are bought out hoes.  Years ago I followed the Microsoft hearings via C-SPan, and the lies spewn from the industry (Ballmer, Micahel Dell, Alsop, etc) made me puke.  Then you had Orin Hatch, John Ashcroft, Strom Thurmond, Herb Kohl, Mike DeWine and others kissing Gates' butt and singing the praises of Windows (and monopolies).  This if nothing else, PROVES that scum rises and that Peter's Principle is correct.
 
This Hollings bill is just another phase of felch started by that jerk Jack "VCRs will destroy Hollywood" Valenti.

First it was the that damn DMCA.  Now this.  Fritz Hollings, you go to hell, you go to hell and you fry!
Normally I expect this from Republicans, not a lone Democrat.

 We need to contact our senators and our house reps and tell them to cut this crap out.  It's tantamount to mind control.  No old white guy is going to tell me what to write, nor what to run.  These old idiots don't even understand how a transistor works!  They have no business tackling this issue.

 But until campaign finance reform is done correctly (a total ban on non-personal giving) then our legislators will continue to be bought and sold.

Anyway, hopefully Patrick Leahy (Vermont) will torpedo this crap Hollings bill.
 

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Re: Anti-Copy Bill Slams Coders
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2002, 06:03:09 AM »
I know this has been pointed out many time in other discussions, but here it is: This won't stop piracy.

IIRC This bill (which I haven't read by the way, just the news about it) would make it illegal to distribute any code that doesn't have any copy protection, or doesn't support the protection of media (which, both?)

Hackers will of course break whatever protection is approved, and then distribute those cracked versions.

Someone (a pro bill person) will say:
 "But that'll be illegal and they'll be stopped"
to which another (sane) person will point out:
 "yes, but it's illegal to distribute cracked code now, so what's the difference?"

I suppose the person this'll really bite is Mr(s). Average, who won't be able to backup his/her media without first downloading illegal software.

Hmm, I can probably this of a 1000 other reasons too (well, I make no promises :-D ), but then I guess a lot of people have probably come up with 1000s already.

Here's looking forward to the future, not!
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Re: Anti-Copy Bill Slams Coders
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2002, 07:29:46 AM »
Boing: what is Peter's principel? :-o  :-?
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Re: Anti-Copy Bill Slams Coders
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2002, 07:31:35 AM »
Hopefullty this will not become law.(either this Usa thing or some European variant )

This whole copyright craziness comes imho from the fact that the (music/film/software) industry thinks it loses billions of income due to piracy, ok they will lose some money due to it but i know that I would never buy all the cd/movies/software that i have downloaded. i have some stuff i tried once and never touched since (photoshop, ms office amongst others ) but the industry would say that it has lost income due to that , yeah right !

ofcourse the industry has a right to try and make a living but laws like this are way over the top, trying to get consumers to pay as much and as often as possible and making it a law so you wont even have any alternative or the possibility to make/code one yourself.

I Wonder how clueless this  Sen. Fritz Hollings (D-South Carolina) really is and what kind of home entertainment system he has at home (maybe a big sponsored one?)

Another large problem is that a lot of people really have no clue about laws like this (yea, it will stop evil hackers so it must be good) but what they dont realize/know is that it will hurt them too by making it impossible to share a piece of music between players ( no you can only play it at home, if you want to play it in your car too you'll have to pay again)

And there always is a way to work around it . how long will it be until there are tools that circumvent it ( by adding a false working watermark for example)
Yes it will be illegal, but people in general dont seem to care about that already (like downloading and sharing copyrighted mp3's is illegal).

Making and eventually (trying to ) enforcing laws like this is a waste of time,effort and money that could be better spent elswhere.

if this thing does become law then you better hang on to your old stuff and hope it never breaks because it will be the only thing that allows you to use it the way you want to.
Even DVD players (the stand-alone kind) are marketed here with a big sign saying : Regio code free.

This is in part why i dont trust politicians too much, they too easily make decisions in things that they dont have an understanding of ( and think this decision will make them get more votes), or are they influenced by companies with a lot of money?

Is America still the land of the free?
( i know, Europe is working hard on stuff like this too  :-(  :-x )

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btw i dont really see the connection between amiga inc's copy protection/licences and this , this bill is far worse.
If the license is too restricting i wont buy it (like Windows Xp license and product activation, i'll use a pirated version because its easier to reinstall, if it wont let me update , then fine, i wont update), I like linux because it is free to copy, i can learn from it by copying other peoples code and use it and I will pay for programs(products) that i think are good. (like probably Aos4 / AmigaOne) that way supporting the company producing it.

(sorry about the long post , just wanted to get my opinion out while i still can)
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Re: Anti-Copy Bill Slams Coders
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2002, 07:33:31 AM »
"My vision is very negative there, so I don't know, if you really wanna hear it. My general feeling is, that computers are doing more harm than good... And now look what happened. Pretty soon we'll have numbers tattoed on our forehead... I see computers bringing closer and closer the day of the Big Brother concept, where government can control every aspect of your life, because you're on the computer."

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