New OS4.0 screenshots online

[Rodney]

But when will they show (by a beta or public demonstration) the important part of any OS ?
When will we see Amiga-apps on-top of ExecSG without the need for an 68k (except booting), or when will we see it for the first time on the A1 ?

Kronos, i think your expecting far too much... Truly the best part about AmigaOS4 is that it actualy exists and is improving.

The second best part about AmigaOS4 is that its running on new hardware - or at least WILL run on new hardware when its done.

Yes, theres a third best thing, and that is, its just the start, its pathing the way for future versions of AmigaOS. From the very start of this project, we were told now to expect to much, already my expectations have been blown. Maybe their too low?

Its not important if AmigaOS4 does not capture the sigh of consumers out side of our niche market, not doubt thats what OS5 aims to do. OS4 is to only satisfy us, not make the hords of linux geeks, MOS geeks or anyother type of geeks drop their jaws in one large gasp... Its only to modernise the OS - which means, they're only trying to please the current community.

Surly OS4 will bring back some people who disearted the Amiga a while ago, but its only to help the current Amiga market keep interested and realise that our OS is getting better, slowly.

It wont happen over night, but it will happen  :-D

[Rodney]

I dont think waynes personal (or public problems are effecting his judgment when it comes to AmigaOS. I can see where he is coming from, and his problem is that he may be expecting too much, or he is expecting so little and he is prolly getting it.

The fact is, he doesnt find any reason to get too excited about this, and when you think about it, why would we?

I think its pretty cool there is something like this on the Amiga. I know windows doesnt distribute on of these by default, unless you include fsk. But thats a pretty stupid program and its hard to operate for beginers.

This HDPrep thing is looking a bit like Partition Magic which is a fantastic program, and if this one is just as easy to use, it'll be a great tool.

But again, wayne just is comparing AmigaOS to other OSes such as Windows and Mac, and when you do that, your bound to think about what exactly is everyone getting excited over...

I dont blame people for being overly excited, even if they are only getting some modern everyday features. They are stillfeatures they havnt had before.

[hnl_dk]

What's happening to evrything EyeAm has posted???  :-(

[Hammer]

I think its pretty cool there is something like this on the Amiga. I know windows doesnt distribute on of these by default, unless you include fsk. But thats a pretty stupid program and its hard to operate for beginers.

In "Windows XP Pro" -> Control Panel -> Administrative Tools ->  Computer Management -> Storage -> Disk Management. One can find Window’s equivalent of HDTool Box((it may not be as good) style utility.

You can fine it as "%SystemRoot%\system32\compmgmt.msc".

[DaveP]

What is worth being excited about is that Amiga functionality
is moving forward at last - this is just one illustration.

Rather than being stuck in the dark ages of 1992.

I dont see anyone creaming their pants about the actual application in
fact its nice to give credit where credit is due.

The Amiga market is littered with hardened cynics, extremists
and total knob-ends and I dont want to be counted as one of them
because I dont see the Amiga market as something to get
religous about - just to enjoy if and when it progresses.

If you cant handle it grow thicker skin. ;-)

Dave.

[Coder]

Hi hnl_dk,

Go to this

Coder

[hnl_dk]

Hi Coder ;o)

Thanks for the link ;o)

I hope it's just a phase  :-?

[Jose]

About the look of the new GUI, what does it matter in a tool like this?
I'd like to have the option of still using the old GUI for other things too, and not waste resources. OS3.1 GUI is fine for me:) Good looking GUI is cool but, option is more important. A set of themes (hate that word, maybe it's from where it comes) then, is all needed to satisfy all. Hmm me wants 3.1 theme to not waste resources if I want to.

[carls]

[color=0000FF]About the look of the new GUI, what does it matter in a tool like this? [/color]

There's a big difference between a fancy GUI and a good-looking GUI.

Nothing's wrong with the 3.1 GUI, even the default Commodore look of GadTools can be configured pretty nicely just with the use of colours.

But the problem is that those who see these screenshots, and those who see screenshots of ReAction in general will think "Wow, AmigaOS sure has one ugly interface".

Look at the difference between this grab:
http://www.sasg.com/mwb/gallery/stuntzi.gif
and this grab:
http://www.amiga.com/3.9/aos39_screen_1.jpg

I think Screen #1 looks way better than Screen #2 -- and #1 is from 1995! It's bloody AGA for crying out loud!

The scrollbars and gadgets in screenshot #2 are strangely disproportioned, the look of the scrollbar knobs have the same frame as the common button gadgets (which to my knowledge can't be altered in ReAction - one frame look for everything).

Even a patched GadTools looks better than Screenshot #2! So all I'm saying is: I hope they make ReAction just a tad better-looking.

[System]

There's a big difference between a fancy GUI and a good-looking GUI.

I have to agree. A customiseable interface may allow you to change the colours, fonts etc but the underlying STRUCTURE of the UI remains the same, in this case very cramped and intimidating.

In the abscence of freeform skinning (won't be yet, and who's gonna bother skinning an HD tool anyway?) that leaves us with an unintuitive piece of software.

However it isn't done yet, so I'll reserve proper judgement until I've actually had a go.

[HyperionMP]

I should point out that the screenshots of the HDToolbox replacement don't make use of the new OS 4.0 GUI (which would be an automatic process anyway) but of 3.9 and Reaction.

[hnl_dk]

I should point out that the screenshots of the HDToolbox replacement don't make use of the new OS 4.0 GUI (which would be an automatic process anyway) but of 3.9 and Reaction.

Hi Ben,

I think we all know  :-D

But it's great to here we where right  8-)

[HyperionMP]

Well, you'd think people would all understand.

If I read some of the negative BS that Wayne Hunt has been posting on Moo Bunny....

Let's set the record straight here once again:

1. 30 developers work on OS 4, EACH IN HIS RESPECTIVE FIELD OF EXPERTISE.

This means that work on a HDToolbox replacement doesn't hold up work on the kernel, 68K emulation, 2D drivers, salvage and recovery tools, TCP/IP stack, device drivers  etc.

2. Only very few aspectsof OS 4  lend themselves to visualisation

How do you propose we make screenshots of a kernel, a 2D driver, a filesystem, salvage and recovery tools, devices, a USB stack  etc.?

3. The functionality of HDToolbox was too limited and it was in fact buggy in some places because it could not deal with certain types of controllers and drives.
All of this constitues sufficient justification for a replacement, especially if you consider the fact that H&P did not fact give us access to the HD Toolbox source-code they did for 3.5.

So snap out of it Wayne.