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Fleecy Moss clarifies on ANN
« on: May 21, 2002, 06:46:11 AM »

Fleecy Moss, CTO of Amiga Inc, appeared on ANN to dispell some of the rumours that have been circulating about the relations between AInc and BPlan.



Snippets taken from several posts in the 300+ thread titled the next ppc amiga.




"For AmigaOS4, Amiga said that it will welcome ANY and ALL hardware companies which develop hardware. We have spent many hours of email with representatives of bPlan and in all of them, our line has been consistent.


    • We will be very happy to provide bPlan with an OS4 licence, and to have OS4 running on the Pegasos
    • Amiga compatability within MorphOS comes from illegally obtained source tapes and we will use all legal process to prevent it from entering the market.




It is not Amiga Inc preventing AmigaOS4 from running on the Pegasos. As far as Amiga Inc is concerned, we consider the two issues mentioned above as being completely separate."


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"Most of you (with an interest in the truth anyway) have already asked the obvious question. What would Amiga Inc gain from NOT allowing OS4 to run on the Pegasos. Answer - absolutely nothing.

 

The licence terms for OS4 are the same for bPlan as for Eyetech and anyone else who wishes to sell an Amiga product that runs OS4. It is a typical OEM licence, and presents a level playing field, for producers, for distributors and for customers. You will find NO exclusive deals done for any product that carries the Amiga seal of approval, and no favouritism played to any company or individual.

 

Any company that says that they approached us and we rejected them is lying. They may not have liked certain elements of the OEM deal, but it is the same deal as everyone else is offered."


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"Anything to do with MorphOS and its 'amiga compatability' will be decided, so it seems, in the courts."
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Re: Fleecy Moss clarifies on ANN
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2002, 09:46:58 AM »
Is this a statement from "Real" Fleecy Moss or a hoax?

I hope Amiga Inc or its lawyers will release formal statement about this matter. The statement should be put on their website.
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Re: Fleecy Moss clarifies on ANN
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2002, 09:57:40 AM »
Does Mr Fleecy Moss post the message from UK; not USA?

Another comment from the same thread:

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"Anyone checked if this Fleecy Moss is the real one from Amiga Inc or a fake one (a simple troll), I asked this because I've just made a traceroute and it seems that is IP address is:

webcacheH11a.cache.pol.co.uk

I'm not an expert of Amiga Inc locations, but I thought Fleecy should type from somewhere in the U.S.A.

Another strange fact is that he replied the first time at about 10AM GMT (UK) that it's something like 4AM in the east cost.(USA)  (Approx.  01.00 AM in Snoqualmie; WA; USA).
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Re: Fleecy Moss clarifies on ANN
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2002, 10:02:14 AM »
He's from the UK. Last he mentioned his work visa ran out last year and had to wait til he could (eligible) for a new one. He as been in the US this year, most likely on a travel visa. Which means he works from home in the UK.
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Re: Fleecy Moss clarifies on ANN
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2002, 10:10:04 AM »
Real or Hoax, I don't know. There is no way to verify anyones ID on ANN. I do know that those are basically statements that Amiga, Inc. has made before.

They will not release a formal statement on that issue and will not be mentioned on their website. The website is not the place for such matters. They will only make a statement when the lawyers deem it necessary. The lawyers will only make a legal move if the MorphOS Group go forward with their plans to sell retail copies.

These are my opinions and represent my knowledge on this issue.
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Re: Fleecy Moss clarifies on ANN
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2002, 04:42:03 PM »
>illegally obtained source tapes

Do Morph OS team "Steal' the tape /disk that contain OS 3.X source code? How this happen? Do Morph OS "reverse engineer" OS 3.X?    Do they put a spy / mole inside Amiga Inc?

In other companies; source codes are closely guarded secret; (except Linux / open source). The source code are the "crown jewels"  / main IP of the company.  What is the security measures against "Industrial spy" inside Amiga Inc?
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Re: Fleecy Moss clarifies on ANN
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2002, 06:04:15 PM »
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Do Morph OS team "Steal' the tape /disk that contain OS 3.X source code? How this happen? Do Morph OS "reverse engineer" OS 3.X? Do they put a spy / mole inside Amiga Inc?


It doesn't really matter, the fact is that AOS source code is copyrighted and any use or misuse of it by third parties not allowed to do so is not legal.

Morphos is bad and nobody needs it if amigaos comes out in time
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Re: Fleecy Moss clarifies on ANN
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2002, 06:55:59 PM »
Its a good chance the MOS team has used the OS3.x sources as they have been "public" since they got "released" in the crack community back in 1997.
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Re: Fleecy Moss clarifies on ANN
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2002, 07:15:59 PM »
Oh boy! I'm affraid to see the fight on ANN now!
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Re: Fleecy Moss clarifies on ANN
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2002, 07:22:28 PM »
'scuse my igorance but what does this all round up to, does this mean that MOS is illegal and the guys behind it will be taken to court? Does this mean that OS4 will be running on the Pegasos
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Re: Fleecy Moss clarifies on ANN
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2002, 07:33:53 PM »
Hey please someone reply.
I am dying with susspense here!!!!
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Re: Fleecy Moss clarifies on ANN
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2002, 08:12:09 PM »
Don't go, It's pretty bad...  
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Re: Fleecy Moss clarifies on ANN
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2002, 08:17:11 PM »
MOS is ilegal in some people's eyes and it might be. Yes, It has been implied that if the MOS Group try to distribute MOS in any way they will be taken to court. Then the legality of MOS will be settled.
OS4 running on the Pegasos, that depends on bPlan or anyone that licenses the use of the Pegasos for a third party product.
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Re: Fleecy Moss clarifies on ANN
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2002, 08:17:22 PM »
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does this mean that MOS is illegal and the guys behind it will be taken to court?


Yes, that appears to be Amiga Inc's official position.

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Does this mean that OS4 will be running on the Pegasos


Not likely. bPlan is MOS all the way.
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Re: Fleecy Moss clarifies on ANN
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2002, 08:20:05 PM »
Check the ANN archives. Ralph has mentioned previously that he has seen the Amiga OS source code in part or in full. I'm not sure what the circumstances of his viewing was. I only know I saw it on ANN in one of his comments some time ago. I'm not sure how far back the archives go, but I think it was about 1.5 to 2.5 years ago. It stands out in my memory as he mentioned that he wasn't suppost to see/have access to it, but was shown it by someone or company in Germany that did have access to it.
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