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Re: Rats leaving a sinking ship, or something else?
« Reply #74 from previous page: September 29, 2003, 09:45:35 AM »
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Re: Rats leaving a sinking ship, or something else?
« Reply #75 on: September 29, 2003, 10:19:43 AM »
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Re: Rats leaving a sinking ship, or something else?
« Reply #76 on: September 29, 2003, 10:34:46 AM »
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no...is that the best YOU can do... make fun of a guys handle?...why is that? because you cant argue the points he makes?... about Amiga.inc? your fan company?
 

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Re: Rats leaving a sinking ship, or something else?
« Reply #77 on: September 29, 2003, 10:35:23 AM »
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I don't get it  :-?

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Re: Rats leaving a sinking ship, or something else?
« Reply #78 on: September 29, 2003, 10:38:11 AM »
I've been following this thread and it's been surprisingly civilised :-o

IIRC Bill Buck has admitted (on ANN I think) that this is nothing more than a nusance suit.  It's designed to kick Amiga while it's down. Whether Bill Buck wants to just keep them on the floor a bit longer or to deliver the final blow is uncertain.

Despite everyone at Genesi/Phoenix saying otherwise, they are despirate to get thier mits on the Amiga brand. TBH though I'm not sure it'll do them a whole load of good, it's not going to give them the kind of strong brand identity that it would of done 8, 5 or even 3 years ago. There is also the problem that the name has been tarnished by the current Amiga Inc.  If their intentions are to capture the whole market by having "the name", then that won't work either, because their employees and fanboys (not talking regular users, but the MOS equivalent of MikeB) have pissed off to many people, and also there are those of us that prefer AOS4 simply because it's closer to what we want than MOS is.  

I think the whole situation is horribly screwed up, and that Amiga and Genesi have ruined the Amiga community.  It never had to be, but egos were put before business, technology and community.
 

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Re: Rats leaving a sinking ship, or something else?
« Reply #79 on: September 29, 2003, 10:49:06 AM »
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@Matt

That's probably because you are more mature than me ;-)

That's the last I'm saying on this business, I don't want to totally ruin what is otherwise a good thread.
 

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Re: Rats leaving a sinking ship, or something else?
« Reply #80 on: September 29, 2003, 11:45:23 AM »
crap! this just seems to be getting worse and worse.
Duuude! i shoulda bought a ------well another computer, if i'd never used an amiga , i would not have loved an amiga.
 

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Re: Rats leaving a sinking ship, or something else?
« Reply #81 on: September 29, 2003, 02:17:01 PM »
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 If their intentions are to capture the whole market by having "the name", then that won't work either, because their employees and fanboys (not talking regular users, but the MOS equivalent of MikeB) have pissed off to many people, and also there are those of us that prefer AOS4 simply because it's closer to what we want than MOS is.  


But if Genesi owned the Amiga brand, at least to the extent that Amiga, Inc. does now (not forgetting Gateway's patents) surely we'd be able to have OS4 for the Pegasos? So we'd have the choice, plus cheaper hardware to run it on. Sounds good to me...
 

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Re: Rats leaving a sinking ship, or something else?
« Reply #82 on: September 29, 2003, 02:23:44 PM »
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That's probably because you are more mature than me ;-)


I doubt that.. I'm just slow :-(

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Re: Rats leaving a sinking ship, or something else?
« Reply #83 on: September 29, 2003, 02:27:00 PM »
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uncharted wrote:
 If their intentions are to capture the whole market by having "the name", then that won't work either, because their employees and fanboys (not talking regular users, but the MOS equivalent of MikeB) have pissed off to many people, and also there are those of us that prefer AOS4 simply because it's closer to what we want than MOS is.  


But if Genesi owned the Amiga brand, at least to the extent that Amiga, Inc. does now (not forgetting Gateway's patents) surely we'd be able to have OS4 for the Pegasos? So we'd have the choice, plus cheaper hardware to run it on. Sounds good to me...


IF Genesi bought the Amiga Trade Marks, the PegasOS would already be running AmigaOs... it's the AmigaONE that would have to wait a bit before it could run AmigaOS...

Think about it ;-)

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Re: Rats leaving a sinking ship, or something else?
« Reply #84 on: September 29, 2003, 02:28:44 PM »
:lol: Okay, I mean AmigaOS 4 as we know it now  ;-)
 

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Re: Rats leaving a sinking ship, or something else?
« Reply #85 on: September 29, 2003, 03:20:17 PM »
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I've been following this thread and it's been surprisingly civilised


:lol:

I think I'd better keep an eye on this thread :-)
 

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Re: Rats leaving a sinking ship, or something else?
« Reply #86 on: September 29, 2003, 03:31:49 PM »
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- trolling: edited by mikeymike... better late than never...


Trolling by Bobsonsirjohnny? :-o
Someone has to state the obvious and that someone is me!
 

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Re: Rats leaving a sinking ship, or something else?
« Reply #87 on: September 29, 2003, 04:04:43 PM »
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Trolling by Bobsonsirjohnny?


And a pretty nasty personal insult, which was totally uncalled for.
 

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Re: Rats leaving a sinking ship, or something else?
« Reply #88 on: September 29, 2003, 04:05:25 PM »
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- trolling: edited by mikeymike... better late than never...


Trolling by Bobsonsirjohnny? :-o


Must have been sirjohnny :-P
 

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Re: Rats leaving a sinking ship, or something else?
« Reply #89 on: September 29, 2003, 05:07:43 PM »
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uncharted : IIRC Bill Buck has admitted (on ANN I think) that this is nothing more than a nusance suit.

Has he... I seem to have missed that. I've never heard him talk about it that way in all our hours on the phone, or in hundreds of emails.

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Despite everyone at Genesi/Phoenix saying otherwise, they are despirate to get thier mits on the Amiga brand.

Don't drag Phoenix into this. You seem to be very comfortable making statements and assumptions that appear to be meant to support antagonism - like that "It's designed to kick Amiga while it's down" ... and it's rarely ever that simple.

Phoenix does not give a crap about the Amiga name, collectively - or individually, it seems. On the basis of posts on Phoenix lists, most people could barely care less about having the Amiga name, never talking about it, never mentioning it. The few who have ever even brought the subject up seem to think the name has been tainted, perhaps irretrievably. But the general tenor is that we just don't care - we have better things to talk about and care about.

I'll also say that personally I do not care about the Amiga name. I never did. Even before the current Amiga Inc got a hold of it. I like the experiences the original Amiga has made possible, and I like many things about the way the Amiga OS has performed when compared to other OSes of same historical period, and continuance and improvement of that type of OS experience is something I have cared about.

And I like many of the developers and have felt it was a shame they have been neglected during Gateway days, and seen what little market there has been erode further. Thus my involvement, thus Phoenix.

I still think the Name is largely immaterial. And just as I said during the final days of Gatemiga when Phoenix was formed, those who think the Name matters more than the possibility of increased opportunities for developers and ultimately users - well, they are often a burden that I do not especially see much actual value in. Fanaticism and twisted political/cultural correctness has done much to destroy opportunities and the value of the brand.

Note: I am NOT against the brand, if at some point in the future it is possible for Phoenix to work with developers who work with Amiga-branded products I will treat them as I treat any other developers who show positive and constructive attitudes.

Probably the last thing I'll say in this thread: Genesi is not "despirate to get thier mits on the Amiga brand." There is no desperation involved. Genesi's main concern is to see progressive improvements come of the potential that is still to be found - if you look REALLY hard - in this community. By example in finance, partnership, sponsoring and effort, Genesi is showing more leadership than the moribund Amino/Amiga Inc promised so long ago but neglected in a hundred different ways.

Thus, Phoenix's involvement with Genesi.
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