Executive Update - Amiga Status Announcement

[Chathurawind]

>bPlan and AI have never had any agreements, so
>hang it up untill they do (which will either happen,
>or Pegasos will die, IMHO)

The Amiga market isn't even the main target market.
How easy do you think Petro will sell the Pegasos to
those Indian companies he sold A1200s before?
Think about it.

[Chathurawind]

This is simple and to the point and true, "This is like Apple now..."

and probably another nail in the coffin for Amiga, they just keep making one bone head move after another!

[Chathurawind]

Does this have the smell of Microsoft's heavy handiness in doing business?  The same thing happens with agreements they have with computer makers, plus they (M$) are now lobbying for any PC sold must have a Windows license!

See what becoming a partner with M$ has gotten us?  A M$ like mentality that will do nothing but drive a stake thru the hearts of the Amiga community!  This idea sucks like big rats thru a garden hose!

[Chathurawind]

I seriously hope you really don't believe that
nonsense yourself.
.
SlimJim

[Alkemyst]

Does this have the smell of Microsoft's heavy handiness in doing business? The same thing happens with agreements they have with computer makers, plus they (M$) are now lobbying for any PC sold must have a Windows license!
 
no it is nothing to do with M$.
 
Mac branded hardware have always come with MacOs
 
Amiga branded hardware  has alway come with AmigaOs.
 
Amiga & Mac have always been that way & no one moaded about that over the years.

did the Mac ppl moan about Mac branded hardware coming with new ppc MacOs when they moved to PPC.
 
i doubt they did has they bought a mac to run MacOs.

if you buy an AmigaOne it will come with AmigaOs just like Amiga branded computers always have.
 
eyetech can sell the same mobo to ppl who dont want AmigaOs.
 
by just simply not flasing the bios with Amiga.extention
& name the mobo as something else.& would not have to pay the Amiga tax with thoes boards.
 

 

[Alkemyst]

BTW in getting sick of ppl posting Anon
 
as there is no good reason to be doing so
 
on a forum like this.
 
& you dont know who you are replying to.
 
you cant see the trend of the poster or if they are contradicting
them self with a post made by them selfs earlyer.
 
if you think what yor are saying is worth anything & you beleave
what your are saying is truthful to the best of what you know then it should be worth putting a Name to it.
 
 

[SlimJim]

> BTW in getting sick of ppl posting Anon
 
Well, I've forgot to log in lately (if it was me
you referred to). At least I always put my name
at the bottom...
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SlimJim

[Chathurawind]

slim NP as ppl make mistakes & i do see some ppl

putting the nick at to bottom to put things right.

[RedWarrior]

Looks like Amiga is constantly moving the goal posts and leading us on with tiny snippets of pseudo-information!

Piracy Protection?- good idea... but where's the machine?

But all this talk of buying boards or running Amiga on an x86 is just useless. I'm not buying anything until it comes in it's own box, with its own hardware, and there's a viable market for software.

I took a chance on the Amiga 500 when it was new, and I loved the machine. However, I'm not going to be getting out the soldering iron, or reverse-engineering Linux just so I can play frogger again with real smooth scrolltext.

Hardware NOW! (or sooner)

[Kronos]

@Alkemyst

Wanna know the difference between AInc and Apple (or C=) ?

Apple develops and  builds their maschines at their own risk and cost.

In ower 2 years AInc hasn't spend a single cent into new HW or the "classic" OS.

They gave AOS4 to Hyperion and want some money for the 3.1 licence -> fine !

They want some money from Eyetech for the AOne-name -> o.k.

They want money from every AOS4-capable board -> no way !

This is not about piracy ! And this definitly not about quality ("AInc" and
"quality" in the same sentence, what a joke!). It's about money!

BtW: only one week ago all that was needed for AOS4 on Pegasos
was a dev-board + doku.

That has to be enough !
If Hyperion want to sell as much copies as possible they have to
support it (when its available) as it will probraly sell just as good as
the A1. This is NOT BPlans job.

[Alkemyst]

>>Wanna know the difference between AInc and Apple (or C=) ?

>>Apple develops and builds their maschines at their own risk and cost.

>>In ower 2 years AInc hasn't spend a single cent into new HW or the "classic" OS.
 
loads of firms do what Amiga.inc are doing.
 
& most comsumers do not know or care how there computing HW got to PCworld or who payed for what.
on the mobo or how the OS was funded.
 
>>hey want money from every AOS4-capable board -> no way !

for ppc board to be AOS4 capable it will need the amigaosbios.extentions.

the bPlan modo does not have that so is not AOS4 capable.
 
for any ppc mobo to be AOS4 capable it will need to have amigaosbios.extention flashed in
& thats when you have to pay amiga,inc.
 
yes i would say that rules have changed like it or not that is totally up to them.
& when you buy most things you will read that.
 
& its not upto hyperion to what HW AmigaOs4 runs on its up to Amiga.inc
 
as thats what the executive update says.
 

 



 

[Chathurawind]

http://news.com.com/2100-1040-881673.html

Now consider such an addiction to a company name.

It's all meaningless until it's real and really available.

being in a position to move forward is not.

[merlin]

havent read the latest statement from Amiga Inc, by reading the threads, I really do not need to...

One of the issues raised as regards certified hardware etc. reminded me of way back when Epson, and Iomega were going to have amiga certified logos placed on their packaging, along with Apple and Microsoft certified logos..

Well you can see where that went, absolutely nowhere, it didnt happen.

I think Amiga Inc are a little out of touch with the community as a whole...I can only express my feelings, but all I ever wanted was a decent, fast machine to do real work on and not to play games or have silly crap like MUI installed on it (sorry). As for hardware, I think its my choice what hardware I use and not Amiga Incs....

[Alkemyst]

>>havent read the latest statement from Amiga Inc, by reading the threads, I really do not need to...
 
yes you do

[Ivan]

Hi Kronos,

I love that crusty the clown icon you use btw,
cracks me up every time.

OK, i think you have the misconception that
Amiga will charge OEM's to sell Amiga capable
boards. That simply isnt true. The licenseing
is free to anyone and all they must do is
ensure the bios is flashed with the Amiga
specific bits n bytes. It is part of the OS
as a whole and won't run without it. This is
also why the OS must be shipped together with
the boards. Because a portion of the OS itself
must be on the bios (even if its just a few k)
the OS will need to have it there or your Amiga
system just wont run and you can't go about
selling bits of the OS without the rest.
That's why you either buy the OS for your
PPC system and have your rom flashed or you
opt for a non-Amiga PPC system and buy a
kit later on to allow AmigaOS to run. Which
i personally think will ship with a CD and
a flashed rom. Just pop in the new bios and
slap in the CD. And it won't interfere with
your linux setup at all. Unless of course
your such a geek that you've gone and
customized your bios as well.

This is also a far cry from the M$ 'tactics'
that some people have thrown out. Amiga
places no other limitations other than if
the OEM plans to distribute any portion of
thier OS that they must ship it as a
complete and intact OS. I think this
is acceptable and if linux were my main
OS i wouldnt have any troubles at all
getting a PPC mobo without the Amiga
specifics in the bios. You can't do this
with much ease in todays wintel market,
even after the lawsuits.

Even then i'd consider picking up the flashed
bios and CD at a later date. $100 dosnt sound
too high to me. Heck it could come out for less
if things ever do get rolling along. Who
can say 100% one way or the other. If your
a linux guru and you just got to have the
linux PPC system then maybe while your
dropping $550 for that mobo you might drop
an extra $50 for the flashed bios and CD just
because AmigaOS is another alternative to the
universally hated standard.

Anyway i will probably be putting linux in
my A1 as well. Which shouldnt be much
trouble. Strike that, i know i'll put linux
in the system. Dual boot is just cool.

Ivan.

[Seehund]

Ivan,

OK, i think you have the misconception that Amiga will charge OEM's to sell Amiga capable boards. That simply isnt true.

Unless you have read the complete licensing terms you don't know anymore about that than the rest of us mere users here. It doesn't matter much anyways if the license itself costs anything.

The licenseing is free to anyone and all they must do is ensure the bios is flashed with the Amiga specific bits n bytes.

And get the boards approved by Amiga Inc. And get themselves and their combined software/hardware support organisation approved by Amiga Inc. And most importantly bother to apply for a license to market their boards at a tiny Amiga market.
And in the Amiga One case it's not a flashable BIOS according to Alan Redhouse. You need the ROM chip.

It is part of the OS as a whole and won't run without it.

It's not part of the OS. It's an OpenFirmware BIOS with some proprietary extensions that the OS is looking for. It's just copy protection. Amiga OS could run perfectly fine without those extensions.

That's why you either buy the OS for your PPC system and have your rom flashed or you opt for a non-Amiga PPC system and buy a kit later on to allow AmigaOS to run.

No, no, no, no, [color=FF0000]NO![/color][/b][/u] If it only were so well! You have to buy the OS together with the hardware, and the OS will only be shipped with licensed hardware from licensed distributors. This is what's so horribly insane.
The only exception is for the old CS/BlizzardPPC boards and the pre-ordered Amiga One G3-SEs, where what you describe is valid (and for the A1G3-SE you buy a ROM chip, BIOS images for flashing will not be available other than for the pirates).

This is also a far cry from the M$ 'tactics' that some people have thrown out.

Well, Microsoft doesn't require every distributor of Windows compatible hardware to be bundling Windows (though I'm sure they'd love to), and they sell Windows separately, and they don't care about who makes Windows compatible hardware since they, like Amiga Inc., are a software company (not counting the X-Box and computer peripherals). So I guess you're right... It's worse than Microsoft's tactics. *shudder'