Windows CE .NET applications announcement.

[Chathurawind]

Amiga, Inc. has officially posted the announcement about creating games/applications for Windows CE .NET as seen earlier on the Microsoft site.

Read the Press Release here.

[System]

>>> More information can be found on the Amiga Anywhere web site at the Amiga-Anywhere Website.


hahahehe :-P

[Chathurawind]

>Anywhere BUT Here?

Hihihi, Hohoho ROTFL ->Stomach cramps.

[Chathurawind]

Im still a little confused!!!

The Annoucement says that its program shall run on the Windows CE .NET range of products.

It also says the applications are optomised for Windows CE .NET!!

That is, these programs will only run on windows and nothing else.

So, this leads me to my next range of questions.
Are these apps writen in VP (AmigaDE) or are these applications writen in .NET?

Or, how similar just is .NET to Elate/Intent,AmigaDE?

[Chathurawind]

Hi
It's either VP Translator written & optimized for DOT NET or...... DOT NET virtual machine written using VP assembler (similar to JAVA Virtual Machine on top of VP).

On the first option, the application program is written using SHEEP, C/C++ and compiled into VP bytecode.

On the second option ordinary DOT NET programs are executed by the DOT NET VM (created using VP asm).

[System]

The Translation software is optimised for use with WindowsCE (i.e. other translation software is optimised for use with embedded Linux).

All software currently available for the AmigaDE is *NO* way tied to its underlying architecture or operating system. WindowsCE .NET simply is Microsoft's new name for their successor to the Windows CE 3.0 platform which includes .NET technology.

[SlimJim]

Well- for once, the "other company" was faster to
announce the news than Amiga was.
.
SlimJim

[Tomas]

I wrote to amigaINC and asked them about that, they was kind enough to reply and told me there will be amiga anywhere for linux, vxworks and more + custom devices or something like that.  :-D

[Rodney]

Ok tomus, this is confusing now...

It sounds like this Amiga-Anywhere is a package that is customised for particular platforms... That is, it sounds like the applications are the ones that are optomised...

I hope now, that is, it should be the other way around. The interpreture should be the one optomised, just like a compiler can optomise native code.

[System]

You can tell when a technology is going to take off when 'marketing speak' starts happening

AmigaDE is an environment which as far as i know, can be hosted by different operating systems, or act as the operating system itself (which is achieved through using Virtual Processor technology from the Tao-Group).

For the AmigaDE Player (Amiga Anywhere) to run on a different platforms, the Virtual Processor technology needs to be ported to that platform (this is where the optomisation comes in), but in all cases, the AmigaDE Application will not know, or even require to know what platform it is running on (except for basic stuff such as, do i have a display device etc).

In 99.9999% of these different configurations, all programs written for the AmigaDE will run identically, without any change whatsoever.

Therefore a program written for AmigaDE will run identically on an AmigaDE Player (now called Amiga Anywhere) hosted on linux, windows, whatever, including Windows.NET

The fact that the phrase 'optomised for .NET' popped up in the press release means that AmigaDE does what it does on every other platform (makes sure that the application runs in an identical manner, and to its best possible performance on that platform, windows, linux, whatever, including .NET).

John.

[System]

johnktaylor, this press release doesn`t say ".NET" anywhere. It say "WindowsCE .NET" which is Microsoft's new name for their succeSsor to WindowsCE 3.0!

[RedWarrior]

Could someone explain to me how Amiga's latest move with M$ ISN'T the ULTIMATE BETRAYAL? I'm finding it hard to view in any other context. Everyone knows that if Amiga falls into the hands of Microsoft- it's GAME OVER, your code will be tainted for eternity.  WHY would Amiga want to code exlusively for any other platform than AMIGA? Pure Insanity. If it was coding for D.E. running on top of WinCE, fine... but it's not!!!! Have we been sold out for the last time??? This is unbelievable.

[ksk]

Rodney, applications are coded for the DE/AA. Translator can make optimizations on the fly, depending of the CPU instructionset, register amount etc... To take full use of Altivec/SSE2 you most likely always need part of your application hand/compiler optimized for those special instructions.

DE/AA can be also "optimized" in abstraction layer to take full use of Linux/WindowsCE.NET/AmigaOS/whateverOS. And I think that has been done and that what the "optimized"-stuff in the PR is about. And I think WindowsCE.NET most likely more featurerich than Linux or AOS4.5+.

RedWarrior, IMO it is not a betrayal, it's living according to their promise. AI is not coding for M$ platforms. AI said they put DE/AA applications on top of every possible device, including the biggest markets dominated my M$. Thisway DE/AA developers get the most advantage of developing for it. And DE/AA apps will run also on AOS4.2.

" If it was coding for D.E. running on top of WinCE "

But it IS JUST that!!!

[Seehund]

> If it was coding for D.E. running on top of WinCE,
> fine... but it's not!!!!

Yes it is! Sheesh!

Is this really so difficult to understand? Well, maybe it is. Amiga should have kept this press release on the Microsoft Embedded site, since it's clearly aimed at a Microsoft audience, and rewritten it for their own site. You wouldn't expect to see Microsoft's Arch Nemesis Linux, that Amiga Anywhere also runs on, mentioned in a press release hosted on a MS site.

Sometimes I wish all these boycotting people would start boycotting breathing.

*Deep sigh to let out frustrations instead of angrily hammering away at the keyboard, more often than not hitting the keys F, K, C and U*

[Rodney]

So, when they say optomised, they're talking about the translater right? just like on every other platform...

Thats what i was hoping/though it was...

So AA is not a name for a suit of DE applications but the name for the DE its self?

Just as i thought before this MS annoucement?

I wish Amiga Inc had done their own instead of freak'n copying one that was found on MS's site.