PC still playing Amiga catchup

[ElPolloDiabl]

Tut, what's wrong with good old ProTracker on a 512K A500? The timing is perfect and has no latency bullcrap like you get with your tragically inferior generic PC rubbish. Macbook Pro indeed :rolleyes:

You can have my Emu10k DSP when you pry it out of my cold dead hand. nuf said.

[Karlos]

You can have my Emu10k DSP when you pry it out of my cold dead hand. nuf said.

I see your EMU10K and raise you a MOS Technology 8634!!

Emu10K... pah, I have one of those on a card I'm not even using (in my old PC)

Actually I found my old SBLive 1024 a bit of a pain for line in audio capture. There's a noise floor of about -80dB that you can't seem to get rid of.

[the_leander]

You are the one correcting yourself

Yes, yes I did, because I didn't consider booting up with a comprimised OS.

and you're the one who is baised

There's that word again. You truly do not know what that word means. I've stated my position, but I'll be clearer for the headstickers among us:

I do not give a rats ass what platform I use so long as it runs the software I need in an acceptable fashion. Towards this end I could use an SGI workstation, a Sun workstation, an IBM workstation, a Mac, or a PC running any of the BSDs, Linux or even Windows. It makes no difference to me so long as it's stable and reasonably fast.

How is the above bias? Oh yes, that's right, it's bias because I don't agree with your unsubstantiated nonsense, that's how.

exaggerating minor differences

Those same minor differences you absolutely lambasted the PC for. Either way the point remains, if you write software that uses functions specific to the 68000, there is an ever increasing risk of them not working at all with each successive model in that series unless you have software emulation to paper over the cracks - something you claimed (repeatedly I might add) was not necessary at all.

and dare speak of "objectivity."

I do so dare. I'm not the one making claims that cannot be backed up, further I'm willing to be corrected when I mess up. Anything less is a clear sign of a fanatic (or a retard, much the same tbh).

So, where are the figures to back up your claims? What's that? You don't have any? Well that's a shocker!

You have first BE OBJECTIVE before you can accuse others

I am. The difference is that I, along with most of the rest of the English speaking world have a very different understanding of what that word means. To you it seems to mean "you are objective and unbiased only if you agree with me, no matter how far off the ball I am".

hyprocrite.

Given your p-poor understanding of the words objective and bias, I'm not that worried about you calling me other names.

[Karlos]

Yes, yes I did, because I didn't consider booting up with a comprimised OS.

What do you mean, compromised?

[bloodline]

I see your EMU10K and raise you a MOS Technology 8634!!

Emu10K... pah, I have one of those on a card I'm not even using (in my old PC)

Actually I found my old SBLive 1024 a bit of a pain for line in audio capture. There's a noise floor of about -80dB that you can't seem to get rid of.

I still have one too!!! With the "live drive", it was a good card and I did a lot of work on it from about 2001 to 2004... Then I moved on to Mac and Firewire equipment. You are right though, the Live isn't great for recording

[ElPolloDiabl]

Dodgy M$ timer:

This is an experiment for those of you with good internal clocks. Play your favourite House/Dance track on Windows Media Player and watch the progression bar. To me, it doesn't appear to keep the beat.
Let me know.

[ElPolloDiabl]

What do you mean, compromised?

That thing is scary... I just had a flashback, and thought it was '88 again.

[bloodline]

Dodgy M$ timer:

This is an experiment for those of you with good internal clocks. Play your favourite House/Dance track on Windows Media Player and watch the progression bar. To me, it doesn't appear to keep the beat.
Let me know.

A few years ago (2003), I wanted to get some of my old OctaMED files into Logic 5...

The solution I came up with was to play the OctaMED file via MIDI into the PC, which was set to record... (The Amiga had no way of getting files out other than via floppy, and OctaMED's save SMF function refused to save properly).

I had both machine set to the same BPM... but the Amiga drifted out quite dramatically over the course of 3min... I had no choice but to work out the Average BPM and use that... quantizing the musical data on the PC later... That was my first experience with the lameness of the Amiga's timing.

[alexatkin]

I totally gave up on KDE with 4.x *shudder*

Unfortunately every time I try to give up on KDE I find none of the alternatively do everything I want.

KDE4 has a lot of good features, its just REALLY bloated and unstable.  My login regularly suddenly crashes, that very rarely happened with KDE3 and doesn't generally happen with KDE4 under light use - but who wants a 3.2Ghz Core 2 Duo with 8GB RAM for "light use"?

I have been half tempted to just run AmiWM, would have loved it had it continued development but its plain ugly by todays standards and lacking in functionality.  Even Gnome is missing some things I use on a day to day basis that KDE has, sadly.

[persia]

Anything with less than 4 cores is a light use machine....

Unfortunately every time I try to give up on KDE I find none of the alternatively do everything I want.

KDE4 has a lot of good features, its just REALLY bloated and unstable.  My login regularly suddenly crashes, that very rarely happened with KDE3 and doesn't generally happen with KDE4 under light use - but who wants a 3.2Ghz Core 2 Duo with 8GB RAM for "light use"?

I have been half tempted to just run AmiWM, would have loved it had it continued development but its plain ugly by todays standards and lacking in functionality.  Even Gnome is missing some things I use on a day to day basis that KDE has, sadly.

[EvilGuy]

I have been half tempted to just run AmiWM, would have loved it had it continued development but its plain ugly by todays standards and lacking in functionality.  Even Gnome is missing some things I use on a day to day basis that KDE has, sadly.

That's what I've been saying for years; release an Amiga window-manager for X and make it compatible with KDE and Gnome or the FreeDesktop.org now. Sell it for $9.95.

[Trev]

I had both machine set to the same BPM... but the Amiga drifted out quite dramatically over the course of 3min... I had no choice but to work out the Average BPM and use that... quantizing the musical data on the PC later... That was my first experience with the lameness of the Amiga's timing.

OctaMED (or CAMD or the interface driver?) doesn't support an external clock? Can it act as a clock source? EDIT: OK, so I guess CAMD just passes along system messages, and it's up to the devices and sequencer to decide how to use and interpret clock messages. There's an old thread here on Amiga.org talking about MED supporting legacy MIDI clock messages but not MIDI timecode. Sounds like Bars 'N Pipes is good to go, though. Wish I still had my AMAS. Just have the DSS8+ now and no MIDI interface. Don't feel like wiring my own (which I'd probably foul up anyway).

I have a Creative/E-mu 1212m in my PC. It's a decent card, but I'm not very fond of the software interface.

I just bought Logic Express for my MacBook Pro, and I've got my Motif ES8 connected via USB. I've been trying to track down an mLAN interface, but they're no longer in production, and I don't trust eBay for this. :-/ I also need a low latency audio interface for the Mac. Any suggestions? Something that's supported on both Windows and Mac OS would be ideal, but not required. Cost is a factor, but only because I don't plan on using the interface very often; otherwise, I'd probably just buy something nice from MOTU.

[Trev]

Get a clue.  I am talking 680x0.  There is NO "great" difference to need a library.  You want to exaggerate and distort the truth and claim there's a great difference then that's as good as saying they are incompatible.  Biased.

Everyone's been pretty clear about where the compatibility issues lie. You can't use a 68040 or 68060 in an Amiga without certain software workarounds, and optimizations (read: hacks) that work on a 68000 might not work on a later processor.

[warpdesign]

3.2Ghz Core 2 Duo with 8GB RAM for "light use"

Maybe no one. But in a few months it will be the standard anyway... Like Core2/4Go is now.

[warpdesign]

Thirdly $50!!!!!! or $100 if you want to use an OS that sees more than 3 gig ram, and if you're gonna use a ram disk in windows you'd want to be able to do that. Thats more than half the price of of an OEM version of the OS itself..

There are a lot of *free* RamDisk for Windows. No need to spend any money over it. And for years there have been *free* RamDisk for Windows. There were also a free RamDisk for DOS.

Executive *wasn't* free by that time. Some applications refuse to work or crash with some schedulers... This is a hack.

[bloodline]

OctaMED (or CAMD or the interface driver?) doesn't support an external clock? Can it act as a clock source? EDIT: OK, so I guess CAMD just passes along system messages, and it's up to the devices and sequencer to decide how to use and interpret clock messages. There's an old thread here on Amiga.org talking about MED supporting legacy MIDI clock messages but not MIDI timecode. Sounds like Bars 'N Pipes is good to go, though. Wish I still had my AMAS. Just have the DSS8+ now and no MIDI interface. Don't feel like wiring my own (which I'd probably foul up anyway).

Yeah, OctaMED's MIDI support wasn't the most amazing thing ever... I didn't bother messing around, this was 6 years ago... got the job done... haven't worried about it since.

I have a Creative/E-mu 1212m in my PC. It's a decent card, but I'm not very fond of the software interface.

Oh E-mu... how the mighty have fallen... I must get myself an old EMAX-II, some time...

I just bought Logic Express for my MacBook Pro, and I've got my Motif ES8 connected via USB. I've been trying to track down an mLAN interface, but they're no longer in production, and I don't trust eBay for this. :-/ I also need a low latency audio interface for the Mac. Any suggestions? Something that's supported on both Windows and Mac OS would be ideal, but not required. Cost is a factor, but only because I don't plan on using the interface very often; otherwise, I'd probably just buy something nice from MOTU.

If you only need a single audio in, then I recently used a "Blue Icicle" (http://www.equixotic.com/2008/11/07/blue-icicle-xlr-to-usb-mic-converter/) USB interface. The Audio quality is great, low latency (uses core audio) and it provides Phantom power. For a £50 interface, wonderful!

I have had a number of different interface over the years, but whenever I start a new project... I always go back to my Edirol FA-101... I bought it back in September 2004... and it's been my workhorse ever since... Other interfaces have come and gone, but not this one... for both studio and live work, it's built like a tank.

If I were to buy an interface today, it would be a MOTU UltraLite Mk3.