PC still playing Amiga catchup

[Hammer]

And THIS is what happens with modern hardware when you force developers to "bang on the hardware" vs developer friendly, API driven devkits.

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/17/ghostbusters-on-ps3-lags-behind-360-version-developer-explains/

Factor in RSX's pixel shaders stalling during texture operations i.e. a known designed flaw for Geforce 6/7 series.

Anyway, more on
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/xbox-360-vs-ps3-face-off-round-20

Xbox 360 wins again in most of the multi-platforms.

[smerf]

Or it could be renamed the "the great PC v Amiga flamewar" and keep it as the fighting pit for people that want to duke it out so that they don't open equivalent threads elsewhere.

Hi,

I vote keep it open, I bet this thread has the highest % rate for reading than anything else on Amiga.org, I think Wayne should pay Amigaksi for this fight, it is the first time in years where I thought about going un in the attic and pulling out my old Amiga hardware and program books.

This whole thread is ridiculous, where else could we have this much fun?

smerf

[ElPolloDiabl]

Shouldn't the GB PS3 issue be about overpriced low spec hardware? Making it just a glorified Blu-Ray Player?

[Hammer]

Hi,

I vote keep it open, I bet this thread has the highest % rate for reading than anything else on Amiga.org, I think Wayne should pay Amigaksi for this fight, it is the first time in years where I thought about going un in the attic and pulling out my old Amiga hardware and program books.

This whole thread is ridiculous, where else could we have this much fun?

smerf

Well, somebody has to start it.

[smerf]

Hi,

@Amigaksi,

You made the statement:

"There's good reason for it. Most computer companies used digital joysticks while PCs went for analog ones. Amiga also has analog interface as well, but people purposely chose digital joysticks."

Now I just found one of my old Amiga joysticks that don't work, I opened it up and it seems like it has a couple pieces of copper in there that act like springs and open and close like a switch, maybe you could explain how when these springs touch that I get a digital signal out of it, I am really confused and maybe you can help me figure out what went wrong with my joystick, I tried hooking up a VOM to it and it doesn't even move when I press the joystick, I looked for a digital signal comming out when I closed the good copper pieces, but my friend who owns it says that now signal is comming out of this joystick, and that it is totally useless and broke. Maybe you can help me out in troubleshooting this joystick.

smerf

[smerf]

Now all we need is for someone to get mad, call the other person a Nazi and our lives will be complete..

Wayne

Hi,

@Wayne,

If you closed this thread, we would just start a new one that reads

"Did that Nazi actually close the PC still playing Amiga catchup" thread

is your life complete now?

smerf

[alexatkin]

Shouldn't the GB PS3 issue be about overpriced low spec hardware? Making it just a glorified Blu-Ray Player?

Yeah but my glorified Blu-ray player IS more compatible than other Blu-ray players, runs a free music video streaming service and gave me a few minutes of fun in Playstation Home when it was running an online community game.

That said, for any serious gaming its Xbox 360 all the way.  I too hate the Playstation pads, they give me the worst cramp.  Also the Xbox has a built-in scaler that outputs a far superior picture to my TV than its internal scaler can achieve.  Seeing as 99% of games are 720p needing upscaling to 1080p, it makes a HUGE difference.  A few games on PS3 do software upscaling, some look about as good as Xbox but others are terrible.

I think PS3 fits our argument quite well.  Its an example of hardware that tried to leave too much control in the hands of the developers.  Its lagging behind Xbox in game related features because they never thought to set aside some RAM and CPU cycles for multitasking, so only newer games can support advanced features like in-game messaging and custom soundtracks.  Its pretty sad that a system with a mandatory hard drive actually has less functionality in-game than a system that has to cater for the fact you might not have a HDD attached (Xbox).

[alexatkin]

Hi,

@Amigaksi,

You made the statement:

"There's good reason for it. Most computer companies used digital joysticks while PCs went for analog ones. Amiga also has analog interface as well, but people purposely chose digital joysticks."

Now I just found one of my old Amiga joysticks that don't work, I opened it up and it seems like it has a couple pieces of copper in there that act like springs and open and close like a switch, maybe you could explain how when these springs touch that I get a digital signal out of it, I am really confused and maybe you can help me figure out what went wrong with my joystick, I tried hooking up a VOM to it and it doesn't even move when I press the joystick, I looked for a digital signal comming out when I closed the good copper pieces, but my friend who owns it says that now signal is comming out of this joystick, and that it is totally useless and broke. Maybe you can help me out in troubleshooting this joystick.

smerf

And I thought you were going to ask how sampling at high frequency the action of the two copper strips touching , and the many variations in resistance it will have as it makes contact, is actually useful to a game.  Rather than just sampling once per frame and having a tolerance to determine if you pushed a button/direction or not.

Incidentally, this thread is the longest I have spent on amiga.org since joining.  I sadly do not have space to setup my Amiga and neither are there any games really that I need it to play, except the Amiga version of Mr Nutz which was cool.

[smerf]

My work PC had an uptime of over 1 year until a power cut took it down. That's one full year of running a full desktop environment, without crashing or manual rebooting.

It was running fedora 5. After the reboot it was running fedora 10

Hi,

@Karlos,

Last I heard fedora 5 didn't have a thing to do with winblows, but you did bring up something interesting to me, a Linux program that crashed, huh, I am beginning to wonder, I have been using Ubuntu since the 6.04 version ( I believe about 3 years) and it hasn't crashed or failed me yet. My post was mostly aimed at microslot fanboys who think that winblows is the best thing since Apple Macs

Hello I am an Apple, Hello I am a PC, and Hello I am a worm for both Apple and PC's

smerf

[smerf]

THANK YOU!  Someone actually "gets it".

Wayne

Hi,

@ Wayne

That the Amiga is the best thing since boiled peanuts.

smerf

[smerf]

That's because you haven't heard of pr0n.

Hi,

@Fanscale

Is that anything like pOrn?

smerf

[smerf]

The X64 PC can still run MS-DOS 1.0.

Hi,

But only in an emulator, or virtual drive

smerf

[smerf]

You're kidding, right? I'm assuming you haven't visited Microsoft's web site any time in the last ten years.



You meant "you're," but that's OK. No, it means I run (or ran--it's been a while) Linux on my Sega Dreamcast, hence the orange Sega Swirl.

I enjoy computing in general and have lots of different systems. I can afford whatever the industry throws at me, so unlike most people, I don't have to choose one thing or the other and then vehemently claim I made the best choice in a dire effort to avoid buyer's remorse.

The only thing that's brought me close to fanboy status is The Cure, but even Robert Smith tests my patience now and again.

At any rate, we both like Amigas or else we wouldn't be here, right?

Hi,

@Trev,

Like the answers, and your right, the reason I like my Amiga is because fun to see how far I can take the old girl before she kicks. I really think the Amiga is the most Amazin computer I have ever owned, there is something magical about it, can't put a finger on it but when I get on an Amiga it is just plain fun, all the other computers I just use, maybe it is the fast joystick port.

smerf

[stefcep2]

In 2008, there's about 31 million gaming laptops sold i.e. an install base that rivals Xbox360 and larger than PS3.
Refer to http://au.gamespot.com/news/6210424.html

"The study further found that 42 million PC desktops and 31 million notebooks capable of playing games were shipped during the year;"

In terms of annual gaming laptop unit growth (i.e. 31 million per year), it easily beats the combined Nintendo Wii/Xbox 360/PS3 annual unit growth.

gaming-capable and used to play games on are not the same thing.  Go to any retail outlet and you'll find Pc gets about 20% shelf space.  Ofcourse you can download PC games, but thats not relatively common.  PC gaming these days is heading towards role play/strategy genre that takes years off your life, and the FPS coz of the mouse and keyboard control, byt FPS's on consoles are becoming popular, just depends on what you prefer as a control method.

[smerf]

And I thought you were going to ask how sampling at high frequency the action of the two copper strips touching , and the many variations in resistance it will have as it makes contact, is actually useful to a game.  Rather than just sampling once per frame and having a tolerance to determine if you pushed a button/direction or not.

Incidentally, this thread is the longest I have spent on amiga.org since joining.  I sadly do not have space to setup my Amiga and neither are there any games really that I need it to play, except the Amiga version of Mr Nutz which was cool.

Hi,

@alexatkin,

Wow!! I never thought of that, I will have to look into that, but in all re ality, I wanted to play rolling thunder again, I don't know of anybody that beat that game, and you definitly need a good joystick to play it, and it has to move fast.

smerf

[persia]

I run a small computer department at a University and I can tell you what keeps the IT department running, people who really shouldn't be using a pencil without safety glasses being given a computer to play with.

God knows how many deaths we'd have if they had Amigas instead of PCs...

Hi,

UHHHH, Maybe if you only use a Windows installed computer once or twice a year, come to think of it I have never seen a Windows computer that is used every day go without at least 2 crashes a year, that is why the place where I work has an IT department staffed with about 200 personnel, they are either fixing computers or re-installing windows on them. My one last thought, would you board an aircraft if you knew that windows was running all the digital instrumentation on it?, or would you drive a auto if you knew windows was running your auto computer?

Now my A4000 which gets turned on for use at least twice a week hasn't crashed since 1993 and still has my data on it since then, and I must admit my 2 gig hard drive is getting quite full, I still have about 1.2 gig free for use, might be another 10 years and I will have to think about installing a larger hard drive.

PC users can you claim this?

smerf