Netsurf for 68k amigas, css capable web brower

[unusedunused]

My measure is done when the page is fully loaded (images included). If I take your argument that not everything has to be loaded, then I can already scroll to bottom at 7s or so.

Anyway, silly test if it's not done locally, like Piru told.

but when not all images need load to scroll to buttom, then not much data is need from internet and it is check if there are lockups or slowdowns and the browser is code good.

the amiga browser are in this case very clever programed, text is see very soon, no scroll block and images load later.

i still wonder wy there is no OWB on windows, there are patches since long time in OWB, only idea i have its far not so good as firefox or safari or other browser.

same is of course with netsurf too, but many pages are really same fast show as firefox and safari and IE on winuae.

[wawrzon]

owb on os4 is in meantime using the clever amiga-way to render pages too. lol.
reuters is really quite an unusable benchmark if:
1.netsurf doesnt load it correctly anyway.
2.there is perdefinied missunderstanding as to when the page is loaded completely.
3...
go, find a better one. but anyways to me its clear already that netsurf is quite fast even though the engine seems to be still a little limited.

[unusedunused]

owb on os4 is in meantime using the clever amiga-way to render pages too. lol.
reuters is really quite an unusable benchmark if:

after what time you can move the slider or scroll with cursor keys and you need not wait ?

[Fab]

after what time you can move the slider or scroll with cursor keys and you need not wait ?

First, the rendering is not OWB specific. It renders the same way on any webkit-based browser.

And then, you can scroll after about 2s (the page is already partially loaded at that point). At 5s the whole document height is computed and you can scroll to bottom as well.

But again, silly test.

And by the way, to compare it on a fair basis, if javascript is disabled in OWB, then the whole document loads in 4s (images included), and you can already scroll to bottom after 1s.

So, happy now?

[unusedunused]

First, the rendering is not OWB specific. It renders the same way on any webkit-based browser.

And then, you can scroll after about 2s (the page is already partially loaded at that point). At 5s the whole document height is computed and you can scroll to bottom as well.

But again, silly test.

And by the way, to compare it on a fair basis, if javascript is disabled in OWB, then the whole document loads in 4s (images included), and you can already scroll to bottom after 1s.

So, happy now?

i like to know on OS4 cybppc OWB speed values.

its really strange wy the 68k OWB is so extrem slow.the OWB 1.2 use SDL and is more 2* faster.OWB1.4 use no SDL and is slower.

are there important changes in wekkit or OWB so it work now so fast ?

[wawrzon]

current versions of owb on os4 are also faster as the initial release. i cant say how much and why exactly. surely due to both engine improvements and joerg os4 specific enchantments.

[unusedunused]

current versions of owb on os4 are also faster as the initial release. i cant say how much and why exactly. surely due to both engine improvements and joerg os4 specific enchantments.

the 68k OWB must speedup bei Factor 10 to be usefull.have OWB this speedup get ?

please post some values of your OS4 OWB.netsurf page, reuters page

[apj]

The internal font version is working now.

It doesn't use freetype so there may be a speed gain.

You can download it here:

http://sites.google.com/site/amigacorner/Home/Netsurf2-nofreetype.zip .

[unusedunused]

The internal font version is working now.

It doesn't use freetype so there may be a speed gain.

You can download it here:

http://sites.google.com/site/amigacorner/Home/Netsurf2-nofreetype.zip .

good but thats a 16 bit version and work only on 16 bit screen.

[apj]

good but thats a 16 bit version and work only on 16 bit screen.

Both 16bit and 32bit binaries are in archive now.

[chris]

i see, in older netsurf use of new hubbub html parser was optional.

maybe on OS4 is used not hubbub, and when i report the site, netsurf hubbub can fix.

OS4 version has used Hubbub since forever.

If there are any rendering problems please report them to the NetSurf mailing list or in the bugtracker as per the instructions on the NetSurf website.

Chris

[Tumbleweed]

Both 16bit and 32bit binaries are in archive now.

Have tired both versions. The 32bit one crashes, with a recoverable alert. The 16 bit one runs and I can access a range of sites - Amiga.org, Bloomberg.com etc but I seem to lose the mouse after abit - can't see the pointer outside of the browser.

I'm running the 16 bit version on my A4000D with CSMII 060, 128MB Ram, Z3 Fastlane with 48MB Ram, Cybervision 3d with Scandoubler, P96 drivers, X-Surf, Miami, Deneb 2.0. OS3.9 BB1 & BBII, 3.1 Roms.

[unusedunused]

Have tired both versions. The 32bit one crashes, with a recoverable alert. The 16 bit one runs and I can access a range of sites - Amiga.org, Bloomberg.com etc but I seem to lose the mouse after abit - can't see the pointer outside of the browser.

I'm running the 16 bit version on my A4000D with CSMII 060, 128MB Ram, Z3 Fastlane with 48MB Ram, Cybervision 3d with Scandoubler, P96 drivers, X-Surf, Miami, Deneb 2.0. OS3.9 BB1 & BBII, 3.1 Roms.

the 32 bit version run only on a 32 bit screen.so you need to select correct version, for your workbench screendepth.

the pointer is a sdl shape, and when sdl window is active it can only move in sdl window.when you move the pointer over the edge, then the sdl pointer not move, but when you then press left mousebutton to activate another window, your amiga mousepointer is here.

[geennaam]

I've selected a "32bit BGRA" screenmode, but it refused to open a window. Only the 16 bit version works for me after I switch the screenmode to "16bit PC".
 
The site www.nu.nl (dutch news site) results in a hangup of netsurf.

[unusedunused]

I've selected a "32bit BGRA" screenmode, but it refused to open a window. Only the 16 bit version works for me after I switch the screenmode to "16bit PC".
 
The site www.nu.nl (dutch news site) results in a hangup of netsurf.

i think your system have no 800*600 32 bit screen ?

i get too the problem with http://www.nu.nl.no crash, netsurf only not continue to load and quit of netsurf is too not possible.

does this site work on MOS or OS4 netsurf ?

""""
Google Summer of Code
NetSurf was accepted as a mentoring organisation into Google Summer of Code 2009[19]. The projects they are running include development of LibDOM, the project's Document Object Model, and improvement of NetSurf's user interface.[20]
""""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetSurf

I dont know if all notice that, but netsurf is a sponsered project of google summer code, so hope there is manpower to fix it

if somebody have a videocam, its also nice to see how fast netsurf is, on a 50 MHZ system. but wait until next release, its faster then.

http://socghop.appspot.com/student_project/show/google/gsoc2009/netsurf/t124022821160

I see in google summer the project, that netsurf seem change the GUI way soon.SO its also not sure if amiga or MOS GUI need much changes, so i think use gtk to MUI wrapper is easest way

"""
Title:  Core UI enhancements and keyboard navigation  
Abstract:  At the time being, all parts of the UI are created by the platform dependent code. This approach has some major drawbacks.
NetSurf is designed for resource constrained hardware but it doesn't work with restricted input methods. At the moment a mouse is necessary for browsing. This can be a barrier for hand held devices and a serious inconvenience for advanced users.
My intention is to remove the above limitations.  
"""

[chris]

i get too the problem with http://www.nu.nl crash, netsurf only not continue to load and quit of netsurf is too not possible.

does this site work on MOS or OS4 netsurf ?

No, it busy-loops trying to retrieve something-or-other (doesn't crash though, I can browse to a different page).  Report it to the ml please.

Chris