Netsurf for 68k amigas, css capable web brower

[samo79]

Why not use for 68k porting the latest snapshot here and then put all in the main CVS ?

http://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/source/

It contains the latest Core/OS4 development too and it seems quite stable, surely better than the MorphOS release :-)

[unusedunused]

Yes, its too no full browser but now that you begin and manage to compile it, i like to see how fast it is ;-)

My most time consuming problem is to get something compilable.Find a problem in a compilable program and fix is much easier for me and need not much time.i spend not much time on programming.

currently i cant compile your source, but because of your near complete files its more easy.

You get big progress.

And i think to have something workable is not much work.most you have done.i think some mui classes need deactivate, but to get it working so that a name can in and surf should not be need much MUI4 features.and if this later need can add to zune.

Problem now is that newcreateproc need a special MOS command, but i think this need not add, because multithread seem in the OS4 Version too not done.OWB too use not multithread

with multithreaded define off its more easy to get it working first.

i am postive suprised about netsurf.

the good news is, it most use no C++, and compile time is fast, also when do a full compile.
And thats most important to me.OWB need more than 30 sec to find out what file is changed, and wait such a long time, make no fun.

when a header file is changed in OWB, then a compile to 50% need over 20 minutes also on my fast AMD64 3000+ (1,8 GHZ real clock)on crosscompilers and 1 gigabyte ram.make too no fun.

btw i like to see a video how OWB compile on a OS4 system or MOS system, i cant believe that this is usable fast, and i think OWB is develop on a more core X86 system with over 3 GHZ. ;-)

I wonder if it is not possible to add with few work a better than nothing java script.when i look on pages, i guess 99% need to be usable only few simple commands.

aweb have a java script, and but miss more, so it seem get Java working not too hard,  so wy should not get working a java script that fit 99% the need to be usefull in short time ?

the OS4 Version with reaction i dont like, because reaction is far behind MUI in any case.

it should be possible to have a MUI class from the browser, a GUI can be much more easy code in amiblitz at least for me, and also a MUI class can use in many other programs, not sure if MOS or OS4 GUI is fully working in all features, or some features have no GUI elements on MOS or OS4 Version but on GTK Version.

[itix]

MHO: Too much talking about a web broswer that doesn't support unicode or even javascript and the only advantage of using it instead of Ibrowse or AWeb is to have CSS layout and NOTHING else... Unless i'm missing something.

It does support Unicode.

[chiark]

Why not use for 68k porting the latest snapshot here and then put all in the main CVS ?

http://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/source/

It contains the latest Core/OS4 development too and it seems quite stable, surely better than the MorphOS release :-)

I don't wish to sound rude, but have you read the discussion in this thread?  Back porting OS4 to OS3 is seriously non-trivial: surprisingly, porting MorphOS to OS3.X looks a lot more straightforward.

[apj]

I have compiled Netsurf (thanks Bernd_afa for help) !
It has bugs like wrong collors on pictures or problems with text input.
But it is faster than OWB.

Netsurf uses truetype fonts so you have to install AfaOS or other truetype handler.
Fonts are included. Copy them to Fonts:TRUETYPE/ttf-bitsream-vera folder.

Use 32bpp screen depth.

I release it for testing .
Please tell how it works.

http://sites.google.com/site/amigacorner/Home/Netsurf2.zip?attredirects=0

[Matt_H]

It crashes instantly on a 16-bit screen and quits instantly if the fonts aren't available at the exact path specified in the readme, but I did get it functioning on a 24-bit screen. And it's quite fast on my 060.

Well done!

Suggestions:
Change the env-vars to tooltypes or at least use the path ENV:Netsurf/[env-var] instead of ENV:[env-var].
Use Fonts:_ttf for the fonts path, or allow it to be specified by the user
General cleanup.



[I also just noticed that this thread is in the Marketplace forum - could one of the moderators move it to Software?]

[djbase]

It starts but I don't get any connection.

[wawrzon]

very well! display is trashed unusable on most color depths, it works with partly wrong colors on32bit though (as described). complicated pages do not render quite correctly but neither completely wrong, so its going in the right direction (amiga.org renders in about 28s) there is always an exeption on exit pointing to ixemul.library (61.1). if i comment smart crash out in my ss i might maybe catch more details about it, but supposedly you know yourself. no hits while execution. seems quite stable despite still slow, but doesnt block the system.

ps:many thanks to you and bernd!!

ps: on 16bit it seems to crash the system. on16bit_pc it throws a lot of hits. i recorded hits that occure on quit. (the offsets seem always to be the same) as follows:

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@djbase: you sure have tcp running?

[0amigan0]

@__artur:


Thanks for your effort!
NetSurf is really fast on my Workbench 3.9 AFA_OS with 32 Meg RAM !

It works well, although the images appear in negative; anyone else experienced that ??
Also it seems that the Slashdot layout is not stellar.

Anyway, I like it; keep up on improving it !!

[Matt_H]

Also it seems that the Slashdot layout is not stellar.

That's a general bug - also in the OS4 version.

[djbase]

you sure have tcp running?

I tested on AmiKit with WinUAE. Ibrowse and AWeb works, but Netsurf gives me always unresolve errors. I there a secret setting I forgot?

[MozzerFan]

I tested on AmiKit with WinUAE. Ibrowse and AWeb works, but Netsurf gives me always unresolve errors. I there a secret setting I forgot?

It's the same as with OWB under winuae.
Download AmiTCP from aminet. Copy all install files to a drawer on your
harddisk and assign amitcp: to this drawer.
Then it will work.
 
Edit: There's no need to really install AMITCP. Just copy all files to a drawer on your hd. And yes, you still have to use bsdsocket emulation.

[MozzerFan]

@artur and bernd
 
Thank you very much for your efforts. Hope you will continue to improve it.

[lorddef]

I have compiled Netsurf (thanks Bernd_afa for help) !
It has bugs like wrong collors on pictures or problems with text input.
But it is faster than OWB.

Netsurf uses truetype fonts so you have to install AfaOS or other truetype handler.
Fonts are included. Copy them to Fonts:TRUETYPE/ttf-bitsream-vera folder.

Use 32bpp screen depth.

I release it for testing .
Please tell how it works.

http://sites.google.com/site/amigacorner/Home/Netsurf2.zip?attredirects=0

Wow, massively ace.

Ofcourse this means I'm going to have to go round my parents house and dig out my A1200T.

Keep bashing away at it lads!

[unusedunused]

>It's the same as with OWB under winuae.
>Download AmiTCP from aminet. Copy all install files to a drawer on >your harddisk and assign amitcp: to this drawer.
>Then it will work.

yes, netsurf use too ixnet.library.but its possible to use bsdsocket later, when libcurl is fix.

netsurf work too with libcurl for bsdsocket, but give on my winuae system not more speed and some enforcer hits.

on the left below side, when the mouse is not over a link, the time is show a page is load.

what we need to know are there delay times on classic or is it maybe a winuae only socket problem.or work netsurf on this pages also on other system extrem slow.

can somebody please post the time value a page rebuild need show in left corner when click on netsurf_web_site link.

my winuae amd64 3000+ need for this 1,5 -1,6 sec.
when i disable the jit, then i get same CPU mips as a 68040 25.
then time take 6,4 sec.

also try press on reload look if time differ much.i get time from 8,2 to 6,4 sec.

now go back to start site and click on wikipedia.with JIT site is show in 3,6 sec.

without JIT, there is about 18 sec show
0.1sec load 0.00 kb from 20 kb.on some pages i notice how the time increase.but not here, then after 22 sec teh page is show.

i am not sure if there are hangs and internet access take unecessary delay.the delay and hang problem i have on OWB 68k too.but OWB show no page load time.

then the last test, click on the reuters link.
this is also with JIT on my system a unusable page.it load 5 sec, thats ok, but seem load more images after page is load and show.

so i cant scroll (with cursore keys press very often nice) and get always this 5 sec hangs when a new image is load.and it load again and again images.

does this happen on other Systems too ?
also reports from MOS or OS4 systems are intresting, what time values show here.

and after tests its always good when you reboot, this is only a quick sdl port and should show what netsurf can

the version for MOS and source can Artur compile, but it dont work, and wait.
Now we get the idea to try out with the mos sources the TARGET=framebuffer for SDL.this show only a black screen.

but netsurf work well with the checked out sources from netsurf homepage and thats the testversion here.

but the future(if it make sense to port newtsurf complete)is to get the MOS version working but first need find out wy the framebuffer not work with MOS sources, and use only most important MUI code and classes.

[wawrzon]

@bernd:yes there are sites that load extremly long or do not load at all, like bild.de you pointed me once to. i wondered if this is maybe because netsurf doesnt get enough memory allocated or it requests further objects too lame, but this sounds bs.

to load netsurf_web_site my 060/50 setup needs 4.9 s, this is on a clean first attempt, but if you have surfed around and then tried the link first the actual time can vary around 5-6sec. same for reload (around 5sek)

wikipedia loads in 18,x s at best, but sometimes it takes up to 30s. idlea68k shows constant full cpu load while processing page.

reuters page loads basically some 14s (it only shows 4.9s shortly after) an then it loads further content. i have some hard drive activity like something is being cashed. i can scroll a little but it takes ages and netsurf seem to update the layout all the time. but maybe its due to my impatience. its a huge page too.
edit: well no, i have it open for some time now, it is rendered but being updated again and again

btw:i dont understand why you care for mos so much out of the sudden:P there is mos native port worked on by itix afaik, mos is surely better off with that. not that you sholdnt join the forces though.