the_leander wrote:
whoosh777 wrote:
this is probably an ignorant suggestion,
but if the problem is the dependency on PHP 4,
couldnt you just change the host? :-D
The problem is that support for PHP 4 is ending, meaning any security issues that crop up from this point foward will not be addressed by the maintainers as they have in the past.
Do you remember what happened to this place when it was running on PHP nuke prior to the great shutdown? Do you?
I dont remember as I wasnt there!
maybe you are inventing the event!
I would prefer to have had an answer from Wayne
as he was fielding the question!
when the prime minister takes questions from the
press, the other journalists dont answer the questions
for him! as they would then clearly push their
own agenda.
I spend most of my time programming and the main
websurfing I do is for non computing things eg
following financial news.
Your argument then is not about compatibility but
about security?
the only alternative options to what has been said
then are eg to port Firefox to 68k-AmigaOS
or I dont know if CSS can be done via an IBrowse plugin
which would then need to be coded or ported.
whoosh777 wrote:
the version of Xoops may be legacy but the usage is
STILL ahead of what PC users :madashell: use
Care to supply a citation for that?
yes:
typical x86 forum thread:
http://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?t=10108which has more impressive graphics?
this thread or that thread,
and you can select out any other thread from
that forum
I think Amiga users often are fighting an imaginary
enemy, they imagine that Windows users are
in some sort of computer paradise.
in fact they are in a computer hell!
And they imagine that Microsoft are out to
get all competitor systems,
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whoosh777 wrote:
its not what you have, but what you do with what you
have that matters. PCs today are more powerful than
my uni mainframe, but the performance is worse than
the Amiga 500. eg XP can only have at most 26 partitions
as they label these A, B, C, ... Z AND you can only
have a maximum of 4 bootable partitions per drive, as even
2009 mobos dont support booting from logical partitions.
if you go beyond 26 partitions on Windows eg insert
an extra flash drive then it cannot be used until
you relabel from another labelled partition.
But the earliest Amiga HD's had an UNLIMITED number of
partitions and an UNLIMITED number of boot partitions.
All very interesting and utterly pointless in this discussion. And quite frankly, I'll take 3 or 4 partitions on a one Terabyte drive over 50 on a 4Gb drive or whatever the limitation is now.
None of this changes the fact that the site must move on. :roll:
AHA, FALSE ARGUMENT,
because you can have an unlimited number of boot partitions
with a Terabyte on AmigaOS.
Also SATA allows lots of your terabyte drives, but
4 partitions on 6 SATA drives and you will run out
of volume labels!
(as the optical drive will be another label,
which then leaves just one label left)
The Windows scheme isnt scalable, the Amiga 1000 scheme
IS scalable.
Actually todays mobos allow much more hardware than
Windows can cope with.
but the AmigaOS 3.9 architecture can cope with it,
whoosh777 wrote:
On the Amiga you can do accent symbols eg é
as alt-f e but try googling for how you do that with
XP, its very complicated
é is Alt-Gr E. (right hand alt key.) Very complicated indeed!
NOPE, disinformation,
I tried just now on XP with Firefox, Internet Explorer AND Qedit,
and in all 3 cases Alt-Gr E causes the Edit menu to open,
doesnt cause any char to appear!
and I tried Alt-Gr E with capslock, with shift,
and just the lower case, in all cases it causes the
edit menu of the respective program.
Trust me that I have Googled various sites and the ONLY
XP way to do e with the accent is Alt-[number-code]
but on AmigaOS it is just Alt-f e
the only way to get more useful shortcuts to create the
char on XP is by buying commercial products.
whoosh777 wrote:
Alternatively if you set up your own server you
could install the necessary legacy dependencies,
but I know nothing about rolling your own server!
It's a ball ache, it's expensive, but most of all, it doesn't solve the fundamental issue that the site would as time went on become more and more vulnerable to hacking and or other mischief.
Also, and let's be clear here. Wayne has run this site for the better part of a decade now, he could have pulled the plug long ago and there were times in this little soap operas history where he could have done so justifiably. But he didn't. He catered to a tiny, fractious and in some cases downright nasty community far beyond what most people would have done, he held the line whilst most others dropped by the wayside.
Technology moves on. So suck it up.
well as you know all the answers maybe you should
run the site!
You say its expensive but I bet you dont know!
you could only know for sure if you have set up your
own server, please tell what the URL is for your
own server!
there was a guy on I think the Windows gcc mailing list
who had set up his own server from home.
I have done some PHP coding and it looks pretty safe to me,
if a forum is text only (including some text interpreted as smileys) I dont see what can go wrong.
all that malware could do is enter a huge amount of text
but you can counter that by using a time based quota system
of how much can be uploaded.
now if you can upload an avatar, then you could smuggle in
a virus, but that could be dealt with by avatars being
manually approved of.
hosting companies either disallow or manually verify
anything at all risky. they use an opt-in principle
rather than an opt-out. If you allow everything
and then opt-out things found to be risky then
you will continue getting security problems.
But if you disallow EVERYTHING and just opt-in
things which cannot cause problems then it is
pretty safe.
that is why Windows has hundreds of viruses and malware
as the default design is an active system (opt out),
whereas AmigaOS is by default a passive system (opt in)
on *nix it must be less of a problem, by limiting what
files can be uploaded, confining uploads to a specific
server directory, and limiting the filenames and their
protection flags.
I am very curious to know how you get past php
on a *nix server hosting account.
you could login by chance, but servers usually
will block your ip number if your login fails
a few times, but say some malware logged in,
then what?
surely you are limited to what the forum buttons allow,
eg replying,
you just have to limit how much malice can be done
with the forum features (buttons, text, uploads)
NOW if your server was Windows then yes, all hell could
break loose. But you should be using *nix for your servers,
dont even think about using Windows!
BTW using Windows FUD wont work on me as I have
3 PCs all with XP, one I built myself,
and I have installed 32 and 64 bit Linuxes,
Fedora Core and Ubuntu, and built a brand new
tower system with XP SP3 a few weeks ago for
some relatives.
thus if you make any assertions I will test them out
directly, your tricks may work on others
