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Amiga 1200 Networking
« on: April 06, 2009, 02:38:22 PM »
I want to use my A1200 on my network .

Basicly the software that came with my network card requires me to connect my A1200 directly to my PC's network card , re-configure my IP address etc.. and transfer files using FTP .

I thought maybe it would be possible that i can connect it to my router (instead of having to configure my pc's ip and having to unplug my network) .

And would be nice if i could have a shared drive instead of using the FTP prog .

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A1200 with OS3.9 installed (2Gig HD)
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PCMCIA Network card

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Re: Amiga 1200 Networking
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2009, 03:44:48 PM »
This shouldnt be a problem.  Os3.9 comes with a free copy of gensis.  You should be able to set this to use DHCP and just set the gateway IP as the IP of your router. Set the DSN to the router IP too and you will then get internet access.

for shared drives you will have to use SAMBA.  Good luck. never got it working though many on here have.  Do a search for samba on Amiga.org and you find some good guides and advice.
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Re: Amiga 1200 Networking
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2009, 03:51:05 PM »

I am sure it does not *require* you to change anything, it only supplies an example for those who do not yet have a home network.

You can certainly connect the network card to the router.

When configuring the Amiga software, just choose an IP address which matches into your local network.

Also it would be a good idea to choose a fixed IP address for the PC, too, because whenever DHCP decides to give the PC another address, you have to change your Amiga software accordingly.

To access a shared PC drive, you can use the SMBFS software (see Aminet).

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Re: Amiga 1200 Networking
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2009, 03:52:59 PM »
I'm not sure why you would have to connect your 1200 directly to you pc to reconfigure your IP addresses, unless I'm missing something wierd it should be pretty straightforward connecting. If you PCMCIA card is supported, you should be able to configure it as a network adapter via Genesis, which is included in the OS3.9 CD. (Someone else might have to help with configuring that, I use Miami, which will also work) The driver I use for this is availableon Aminet (3c589.lha), though thats for a 10mbps 3com. If your router supports DHCP, you should be able to set it to devs:networks/3c589.device unit 0, (or whatever device drive your card uses) hit online, and watch it connect. The only other thing to worry about with the 1200's PCMCI port is it doesn't reset when you reset the computer, a problem with solutions ranging from soldering stuff onto the MOBO (I'm usually a bit nervous about that), to a shell program that will "force" the pcmcia slot to reset. (CardReset.lha, also on Aminet) This also works well in a script file, if you wanted to launch it when your TCP stack starts. (Miami lets you do this, but it'll crash if Miami tries to connect when the card is resetting, a simple Wait command in the script should fix this, I just launch mine off a dock menu) Hope this helps!
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Re: Amiga 1200 Networking
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2009, 03:56:23 PM »
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dougal wrote:
I want to use my A1200 on my network .

Basicly the software that came with my network card requires me to connect my A1200 directly to my PC's network card , re-configure my IP address etc.. and transfer files using FTP .

I thought maybe it would be possible that i can connect it to my router (instead of having to configure my pc's ip and having to unplug my network) .

And would be nice if i could have a shared drive instead of using the FTP prog .

As you already have OS3.9, what you want is extremely easy. Ditch the software that came with your networkcard, except for the driver, which is the only tiny bit of software you need apart from OS3.9.

Install the network card's driver on your Amiga, setup Genesis (part of OS 3.9) with the correct IP-settings and off you go.

I don't use DHCP with Genesis, but use a fixed ip-number. I seem to remember DHCP is quite a pain to setup in Genesis, if it works at all. Not entirely sure about it, but using a fixe ip-adress with a router shouldn't be a problem.

Mapping a drive is feasible through Samba, although that is a major pain in the ass to let it work reliably. I mostly use FTP for file transfers, although for nostalgia's sake I also happen to use a terminal program and a null modem cable...
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Re: Amiga 1200 Networking
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2009, 04:02:23 PM »
Wow. There were no replies in this thread when I started typing. By the time I hit "submit" I'm 3 slots down. lol
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Re: Amiga 1200 Networking
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2009, 04:05:11 PM »

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for shared drives you will have to use SAMBA.


Samba is needed to access Amiga drives from the PC. But a 68030 with 16 MB RAM is far too underpowered for Samba. Even on a 68060 Samba is very slow.

SMBFS is much easier to use.

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Re: Amiga 1200 Networking
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2009, 04:08:16 PM »
So if you want to access pc drives on the miggy all you need is SMBFS.  Thanks for that
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Re: Amiga 1200 Networking
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2009, 04:13:40 PM »
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Samba is needed to access Amiga drives from the PC. But a 68030 with 16 MB RAM is far too underpowered for Samba. Even on a 68060 Samba is very slow.



I used Samba on my old 030 A1200 with 32mb. It was a pain to set up and it was slow as hell but, it did the job.

I think I ended up using Amiga explorer to move files from my PC cause it was quick and easy.
 

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Re: Amiga 1200 Networking
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2009, 04:34:43 PM »
Wow

Thanks for all the replies :-)

I'll have another go setting it up ... I'll see , cause i might be getting rid of OS3.9 in favour of OS3.5 .

The resolutions in OS.39 suck for me because i'm using a 1084S . So the only decent resolution is interlaced  :getmad:

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Re: Amiga 1200 Networking
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2009, 04:38:53 PM »
Gensis was free with 3.5 as well i believe
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Re: Amiga 1200 Networking
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2009, 04:39:27 PM »
I tend to transfer files using FTP (RC-FTPd on the Amiga) and the Windows XP built-in FTP client. It's faster than Samba though not as convenient. But it has no problem working on an 030/AGA system.
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Re: Amiga 1200 Networking
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2009, 05:01:22 PM »
Just an idea.. can't be that hard to write a filesystem driver that just sends all requests via the network ..?, if the current solutions are that cumbersome.

Also, how about NFS rather than SMBFS?

Isn't Samba the software that provides filesharing via the SMBFS protocol?
 

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Re: Amiga 1200 Networking
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2009, 11:08:44 PM »
my 1200 is on my network with 3C589D-COMBO(exact model #) on a 3-Com "Etherlink III" PCMCIA type card with this adapter, PC Card LAN Cable 3CPC-COMBO-CBL (exact model #).  I bought these in a kit on Ebay with a floppy that has AmiTCPIP, FTPMount and Filer & TSGUI.  I suggest if you buy or are buying one without it saying it has a floppy, download these programs from Aminet.  I have a feeling you got what I got though.  It said all that stuff.  Only way you're going to have a problem is if your Amiga happens to grab an IP another host is using.  Then you probably have to turn off that host and when you turn your Amiga on (with that host, another computer off) your Amiga will officially have an IP.  It's a little dingy.  I don't have it mounted permanently but don't think I'd want that either.  Because I'm using the PCMCIA on my 1200 for the Squirrel with CD-ROM too and also been playing with trying to get a Transcender brand CF type 1 card to work.  I guess too much stuff mounting in the Startup-Sequence eats up your RAM.  And I AM guessing.  I'm not an expert.

So I used a cheap old old FTP program.  In fact I actually used the version of Bulletproof FTP that they included on this mini-CD in the package with the "kit" that had the floppy, PCMCIA to RJ-45 adapter (network card) and mini-CD with some old dumb FTP progs on it.  I used the old version because it's easy to crack.  Heh.  New FTP progs do internet lookup when you start them usually.  K so:

1) Make a floppy with all those things above from Aminet on it and name it TCPIP.  You should make it bootable.

2) run PCMCIA Driver (double click)  If you have a switch or router with lights you'll see the light go on at this point! (this is where the 1st time it blew my mind that my Amiga was actually on the internet!)

3) (hard part) This is where you probably have to change something.  Make sure the FTP is running and open to new connections on your PC.  Try from another PC unless you have lots of experience setting up FTP.  In the "FTPMount/Hosts" DIR of your floppy, you will see a single icon called PC.  It's a drawer with a check on it.  Single click on that then right click icon menu and goto "information."

4) do exactly like this for the 4 attributes HOST, USER, PASSWORD, SLOW
HOST=192.168.0.x (whatever your ip of the computer running the FTP is there.  I'm going with 192.168.0.x because it's most common.)
USER=Anonymous
PASSWORD= (leave this blank)
SLOW (there is no = sign after this attrib and you will do nothing to it)

5) save the host file.  And you do NOT have to use a text editor for this.  Just use the "information" in icon menu.  It'll work fine.

6) now make sure those programs are on a bootable floppy, or if already are, make sure you have that part saved to that floppy.  Boot with the floppy.  Then run PCMCIA Driver.

7) run FTP Mount (double click)

8) run Filer (the actual Amiga FTP client.  there might be others but I don't know)

9) at this point you're probably in the FTP program and you'll see in the middle a device called FTP: (double click it)

10) It'll set you at a home dir that's actually still on the Amiga.  Double click on PC in that left half of the screen.  Then click on the "0 bytes free" bar on the other side.  Double click HD0: or HD1: or DF0: or wherever you want to save to.  The "Filer" ftp client makes drawers and icons for them so you don't have to leave it to do that.  But it's picky and suddenly exits the FTP if you switch DIR too many times I notice.  So put all the files your transferring into 1 folder and do all your organization on the Amiga.

That is it.  It's not the absolute most efficient way of transferring stuff from PC to Amiga but without a doubt it's the coolest.  I just have to find a web browser for Amiga now.  I don't think I've looked hard enough.  I hope this helps!

note: probably any further problems can be debugged from the FTP server program on the PC.  Just make sure to use one nice enough at least that it logs what is happening with incoming and outgoing connections so you can see "wrong password" etc type stuff.
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Re: Amiga 1200 Networking
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2009, 11:54:22 PM »
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Gensis was free with 3.5 as well i believe

Nope, 3.5 includes a time limited demo of Miami. The Genesis version included with 3.9 is unlicensed and thus illegal IIRC. Haage and Partner made a mess of that.