No Internet

[swift240]

Hi all,

Got my Amiga back up and running after a good while.
I had ot change the router to a WIFI one it has 4 LAN ports on the back

This is what I have on Windows

DNS: 194.168.8.100
DHNS: 194.168.4.100
Subnet mask: 194.168.1.1
Defauilt gateway: 194.168.1.1



I have put this into my Amiga, oh yes using Mediator, with a Fast Ethernet PCI card

ISP : 192.168.0.102
Netmask: 255.255.255.0
Router: 192.194.1.1
DNS: 194.168.8.100
Gateway: 194.168.1.1


When atempting to get online I get this error:-

Route_add: SIOADDRT: Network unreachable

I just cant get onto the Internet any more, can some kind sole help please.

TIA.

Mike.

[Zac67]

Holy cow, what kind of IPs/masks are you trying to use??

Keep it simple:
- First you choose (or use what comes in the router) a network segment, e.g. 192.168.4.x, netmask 255.255.255.0.
- The network address must use a private IP range and the network mask will be 255.255.255.0 or 255.255.0.0 (for simplicity).
- Next - for each computer you want to connect and the router - you select any previously unused IP within the same network segment. This means that for all used IPs the numbers (octets) where the network mask has a "255" must be the same and where the network mask is "0" the octets must not be the same.

Examples:
network: 192.168.4.x, mask 255.255.255.0 (CIDR: 192.168.4.0/24)
 router: 192.168.4.1
 1st PC: 192.168.4.11
 Amiga: 192.168.4.12
 Mac: 192.168.4.13

network: 192.168.x.y, mask 255.255.0.0 (CIDR: 192.168.0.0/16)
 router 192.168.1.1
 1st PC: 192.168.20.1
 Amiga: 192.168.19.85

On each computer you'll have to set up:
- it's own unique IP address
- the very same network mask for all devices
- the default gateway (your router's IP)

As DNS server you either use your router's IP (if it has a builtin DNS proxy) or your ISP's DNS server.

Hope that helps a bit...

[kamiga]

Ok, Mike, it seems like you are all over the place.

1> You should not be using 194.  Besides the fact that it's not common and non-standard, it might very well be registered to someone.  Which means that you might never understand why certain websites don't work.  That range is registered to some European companies.

2> Ping is your friend.  Use it to figure out what's going on.

Your router is your gateway to the internet.  This means that the IP address of your router should be your default gateway for your computers (whether amiga or otherwise)  That router IP address needs to be on the same network number as the computer.  This means if you are using a 24-bit subnet mask (255.255.255.0), then the first three octets (numbers) need to be the same.   Here's an example:

router IP address/mask: 192.168.0.1 255.255.255.0

pc IP address/mask: 192.168.0.2 255.255.255.0
pc default gateway: 192.168.0.1
pc dns: 192.168.0.1 (also could be a real world DNS server someplace on the internet)

Ping tests:

Ping from the pc/amiga to 192.168.0.2.  Basically you are trying to ping yourself.

Ping from the pc/amiga to 192.168.0.1.  You should get a reply.

Ping from the pc/amiga to the dns ip address. You should get a reply.

If you can't browse websites, try pinging (one of) google's ip addresses: 74.125.91.103.  This works today, but might not work 2 days or a year from now.  If you can ping a real world ip address, but you can't browse to the corresponding website, you have a dns-related issue.  Check your dns address.

This should get you started.

Keith

[swift240]

Ok this is no good, I tried as you sugested but same.

HJere si an idea, the original router worked perctly I have got a suitable PSU thta wil do, if I come of the WIFI router with that then onto the Amiga what do you think? or is thta a total waste of time?

To put you fully in the picture the router I am using came from eBay a used router from some one else and was not new.

So because of this I dont realy want to change any settings in that WIFI router in case I lose every thing for every computer.

Mike.

Some things I am good with but this ohhhhhhh no.

[actung_bab]

oh no this is silly suggestion but have u got wirless key set up to stop just anyone loging into you network . and is this in the amiga settings oh but you be using a wired cable to your router doh.. :-D

[Retro_71]

How well are you able to reprogram the router? Do you have all you log in details for your ISP.
It could be quicker just to reset the router to factory defaults and input your ISP settings and reconfigure your WiFi settings (it all depends how comfortable you are at reprogramming your router) that way you dont have anyone elses settings.
What kind of router is it? make/model.
Also if you have the router setup with DHCP then no matter what range you use your PC should work with it as long as the LAN setting are on Optain automaticaly (after a restart or ipconfig /release - /renew everything should work)
As stated before keep the IP range simple.
IP:   192.168.0.x
Mask: 255.255.255.0

Also what security options are on the Wifi? none/WEP/WPA.. etc etc and are they compactible with the card u are using?

[swift240]

The router I am using now is a PLUSCOM WR-AR2317.

Yes I can reset it if I need to. I have my WIFI on WEP.
I have no idea why the previous owner would have the settings the way they are now.

I am using WIFI for my laptop and cable for the others PC's in the house. The DHCP is set to enable.

[swift240]

Here is what I see:-

LAN
MAC Address:   
00-1A-EE-01-07-DA
IP Address:   
192.168.1.1
Subnet Mask:   
255.255.255.0

Wireless
Wireless Radio:   Enabled
Name (SSID):   WR-AR2317
Channel:   8
Mode:   54Mbps (802.11g)
MAC Address:   00-1A-EE-01-07-DA

WAN
MAC Address:   00-17-31-B4-60-1F
IP Address:   82.37.197.181   DHCP
Subnet Mask:   255.255.248.0   
Default Gateway:   82.37.192.1     
DNS Server:   194.168.4.100 , 194.168.8.100


I hope this helps.

Mike.

[Zac67]

Just for the record: WEP is total crap and can be cracked in less than a minute. WPA is minimum, and WPA2 highly recommended (due to potential attacks on WPA). Unfortunately there's no way an Amiga can attach to WPA/2...

[Daedalus]

Which is why if you're using a network with WEP-only gear on it (Amigas, Nintendo DS etc.) you should use MAC address filtering once you get it all working how you want it. Still not very secure but better than nothing.

[pVC]

swift240 wrote:
Here is what I see:-

LAN
MAC Address:
00-1A-EE-01-07-DA
IP Address:
192.168.1.1
Subnet Mask:
255.255.255.0

Ok, this is what you need for the Amiga and other wired computers on LAN. You have to config them to use similar ip addresses.

For example you could use following on the Amiga:

IP Address: 192.168.1.2
Netmask: 255.255.255.0
Gateway: 192.168.1.1
If your router can act like nameserver proxy, then use 192.168.1.1 as Nameserver. Otherwise you probably need to use 194.168.4.100 and/or 194.168.8.100

For PC and other computers the same settings, but different IP Address.. like 192.168.1.3 or .4 or .5 etc.

Then ping 192.168.1.1 from computers to see if it's working.

[Zac67]

Which is why if you're using a network with WEP-only gear on it (Amigas, Nintendo DS etc.) you should use MAC address filtering once you get it all working how you want it.

Utterly worthless. The MAC address doesn't even get encrypted (technically impossible), so it takes about .001 seconds to fake a working MAC (or 2-3 seconds if you do it manually). The security you gain by filtering isn't worth the trouble.

[pVC]

Zac67 wrote:

Which is why if you're using a network with WEP-only gear on it (Amigas, Nintendo DS etc.) you should use MAC address filtering once you get it all working how you want it.

Utterly worthless. The MAC address doesn't even get encrypted (technically impossible), so it takes about .001 seconds to fake a working MAC (or 2-3 seconds if you do it manually). The security you gain by filtering isn't worth the trouble.

Well, I think that better turn on all security options in any case instead of leaving them open. At least it should keep accidental alien users away as well as amateurish hacker kids. Of course it doesn't give proper shield for people who know what they're doing, but I guess that chances for them is smaller in neighbourhood.

So, at least I use my A1200 on WLAN which has WEP encrypting, MAC filtering and disabled SSID broadcasting. Better than doors open freely IMHO.

[Daedalus]

Yes, I know, I spoof MAC addresses myself for certain purposes, but I believe that if someone really wants to get into your network that badly, they'll do it regardless. MAC filtering is fine for preventing the casual opportunist or messing kid in the apartment next door chancing their arm and trying to find some handy MP3s or ripped films. At the end of the day, it's a trade-off. If you really have precious information you can't risk anyone getting hold of, don't connect to any network.