Anubis, Icaros, and XAmiga...

[dammy]

This whole Arix thing is like nailing jelly to the wall, everything is bluster, big talk, give us an OS that we can play with, the Source Forge page downloads section is empty...

Feel free to ignore the project until the M1 release.  It's actively being worked on and things will be released when they are ready.

Dammy

[Piru]

@dammy

Others may say they are a commercial OS, the sad numbers of paying customers prove they are economically unviable and more charity then anything else.

I still find it insulting, especially the way you put it forward earlier.

It is true however that the income from the MorphOS licenses doesn't even remotely cover the development costs of the OS. But that has been the case for over a decade and personally I don't have any problem with that. MorphOS isn't there to make a profit. It's a hobby more than anything else I'd say, and quite ambitious one, too. The license cost applied to MorphOS 2.x is there to cover the costs of the support infrastructure, the new HW for future developments and so on. I object to labeling that as charity.

Personally I find the MorphOS licensing model quite ok, at least you can try the OS without being forced to buy it. This will work even better once the OS will be available to wider range of affordable HW (read: Mac Mini G4).

[clusteruk]

£100 to support MorphOS seems ok to me, same goes to AmigaOS, I will just have to wait until the hardware is cheaper as it is a hobby. The Mac Mini PPC route looks good to me, if there are enough to go round. I would have no problem paying the license fee after having seen them both.

This does not change my mind about my favorite Aros, but the more the merrier if they can all coexist and cooperate again one day in the future. All under the Amiga Next Gen flag maybe.

[pixie]

@Dammy
There's AROS hosted on Linux and on Windows which gives quite a boost when compared with VMware like solutions

@diskdoctor:

That's right. But hosted OS is not OS, just a virtual guest. Doesn't feel the same.

Notebooks being unusual hardware... Technically True, but statistically... False. It is market that makes the definitions what is usual or not. Always.

BTW AROS Live doesn't boot on my notebook so it ain't hosted that way.

Perhaps it's time to check both hosted AROS solutions...

[dammy]

by Piru on 2009/4/1 2:31:31

@dammy Quote:      Others may say they are a commercial OS, the sad numbers of paying customers prove they are economically unviable and more charity then anything else.   I still find it insulting, especially the way you put it forward earlier.  It is true however that the income from the MorphOS licenses doesn't even remotely cover the development costs of the OS. But that has been the case for over a decade and personally I don't have any problem with that. MorphOS isn't there to make a profit. It's a hobby more than anything else I'd say, and quite ambitious one, too. The license cost applied to MorphOS 2.x is there to cover the costs of the support infrastructure, the new HW for future developments and so on. I object to labeling that as charity.

You can object all you want, it's charity OS that has no possible future of being profitable enough to pay it's employees and contractors.  MOS supporters know it, and the MOS devs know it.  

Dammy

[Piru]

@dammy

it's charity OS that has no possible future of being profitable enough to pay it's employees and contractors.

Excuse me sir, but what what the feck are you talking about?

Didn't you get it? This is not a business, it's a hobby. There is no profit to make. What employees and contractors are you talking about exactly?

Finally, could you please quote properly?

[dammy]

by Piru on 2009/4/1 8:44:01

Didn't you get it? This is not a business, it's a hobby. There is no profit to make.

Which makes it a charity. Thank you for the confirmation.

Dammy

[Piru]

@dammy

Which makes it a charity.

No, I think it does not.

But hey I think this conversation is quite pointless. You're using whatever argument that fits your agenda: Either MorphOS is a) unable to pay employees and contractors or b) charity. I say we're not charity, nor are we making MorphOS for money. Obviously that is something you're unwilling to accept.

I don't really understand what your motives are, but clearly they have nothing to do with AROS (Icaros) or Anubis. If you wish to continue this conversation please send a private message to me or email me at sintonen@iki.fi.

[Fats]

murple wrote:

Yeah, if you're using the Linux kernel for your OS, it's a Linux distro whether you want to call it that or not. It may have some freaky userland stuff in place of the GNU and other popular programs, but it's still Linux even if it isn't GNU/Linux.

So you would call Amithlon a linux distro; I'm not.
But what's in a name ...
when will people understand it doesn't matter?

Staf.

[persia]

Who do the Anubis people (hmm sounds like a '50s sci fi film) hate Amiga users so much?  Clearly there's a lot of bad blood.  Anubis/Arix is an odd man out, if it's built it will not be an Amiga and it will be a Linux, but a Linux that is incompatible with all other Linuxes.  Great.  Maybe it should be called PlatypOS...

In they end I suppose they're all charity OSs, AmigaDOs, AROS, MOS, Anubis, but as they say on Sesame Street, one of these thing is not like the other...  Anubis belongs in the "Alternative Operating Systems" discussion.  They need a charity OS over there too!

[DiskDoctor]

@bloodline

bloodline wrote:

murple wrote:

mongo wrote:

Linux is only a kernel. Anubis is a Linux distro, just possibly one that won't be compatible with any of the other ones.

Yeah, if you're using the Linux kernel for your OS, it's a Linux distro whether you want to call it that or not. It may have some freaky userland stuff in place of the GNU and other popular programs, but it's still Linux even if it isn't GNU/Linux.

If that were true then MacOSX is no different from Darwin... Linux is just a kernel...

Well I don't like to actually call it that way but it's almost right.  MacOS is proprietary which makes it partially more to Unix-like system than "some sort of linux"... But it doesn't differ much, does it?  

As for the kernel itself, MacOSX has a mixed kernel, Darwin/BSD plus some other, not sure about the name, mach or something. So it's not entirely based on some Linux/Unix kernel, has some value added.

To summarize, one might consider MacOSX as some sort of Linux, actually rather Unix-like system.  But it's much more than that.

[persia]

OS X is certified Unix, the complete linux file system is there and things are [pretty much where you'd expect to find them.  On top of this are one of two layers, Carbon, legacy code form Mac OS 9, which will disappear someday or Cocao, the NeXT Framework that is the basis of both the Mac and iPhone.  

On top of that is the MacOS itself.  When you look at the file system through the finder the Unix file system is hidden (although it's simple to unhide it).  Mac provides the wonderful XCode tools to allow for development in Cocoa.

It's funny, some days I find myself buried in a BASH shell, using Vi or Emacs and pretty much not even thinking about the fact that I'm on a Mac.

[DiskDoctor]

@paolone

Once installed on the hard drive, you can edit AROS:boot/grub/grub.cfg to turn all the '32bit' to 'nodma' that you need.

I do not want to install AROS yet, I have no partition left for it now.

I want to use Live CD for the time being.  Is this a Live CD, dead one or what??

@pixie

Perhaps it's time to check both hosted AROS solutions...

I did and will be doing that shortly, just wanna make sure I won't boot from the CD on my notebook.

I still think there is a hope. Slightly.

[paolone]

@DiskDoctor

I want to use Live CD for the time being. Is this a Live CD, dead one or what??

Icaros is for now distributed on Live DVD only, so you need a DVD player/burner to get it.

[DiskDoctor]

paolone wrote:
@DiskDoctor

I want to use Live CD for the time being. Is this a Live CD, dead one or what??

Icaros is for now distributed on Live DVD only, so you need a DVD player/burner to get it.

Goddamnit! CD DVD whatever, DVD is a kind of CD.  Yes I meant DVD. No CD here.

I have a DVD player.
I have a DVD burner.
I have some blank DVDs as well.

[aperez]

Who do the Anubis people (hmm sounds like a '50s sci fi film) hate Amiga users so much?  Clearly there's a lot of bad blood.  Anubis/Arix is an odd man out, if it's built it will not be an Amiga and it will be a Linux, but a Linux that is incompatible with all other Linuxes.  Great.  Maybe it should be called PlatypOS...

Persia,

Vitriol from either side is far from helpful, but let me clarify that Anubis will retain a usable level of compatibility with the standard Linux filesystem hierarchy. Especially in the beginning, our focus needs to be on usability. I invite you, and anyone else who is interested, to participate in the project.

For those of you who feel the need to argue over the semantics of whether or not Anubis does or does not constitute a Linux distribution, go at it all you want. It's ultimately a waste of your time as well as the other participants on this forum who have to scroll past/ignore your drivel. As the old adage goes, if you don't have anything nice to say, say nothing at all.

In they end I suppose they're all charity OSs, AmigaDOs, AROS, MOS, Anubis, but as they say on Sesame Street, one of these thing is not like the other...  Anubis belongs in the "Alternative Operating Systems" discussion.  They need a charity OS over there too!

Once again, arguing over semantics is not getting anyone anywhere. I see no reason why Anubis shouldn't include a minimal version of hosted-AROS, along with E-UAE, "out of the box" as it were. The perception that there's somehow bad blood between these projects is entirely of your own creation.

Additionally, my hat is off to Piru and the entire MorphOS team. They have built a stable, quality product and deserve my respect. Their passion and steadfastness over the years is to be lauded, if you ask me.