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Re: Modern web browser for 68k amigas?
« Reply #14 from previous page: March 28, 2009, 01:44:14 AM »
Oh c'mon, I'm not talking about static web pages. And not sure what you mean by a "cut and paste" rant. These are my own observations. I haven't really followed the thread Re: Wayne switching servers, if that's what you meant. That sounds like a necessary deal anyway, if not just for the sake of security. All I'm saying is that there is nothing -new- on the internet that would compel me to continually upgrade my browsers and/or computers.  And when your old haunts "upgrade" and force you to do likewise, the results are usually mediocre or disappointing. Security would be the only issue that I'd make concessions for. Sad commentary though when that's at the forefront of your thoughts. But, kind of back to the topic, even with modern browsers, I purposely and often turn off Java because of the blatant annoyance factor. Java: another great example of how technology is not being utilised productively. I'm not saying every site mind you, but a very large percentage of the ones I visit (news quickly comes to mind) are more tolerable with the scripting turned off.

Computers are getting faster and faster, yet the internet browsing experience is getting slower and slower. I fail to see how MySpace is "productive". It's annoying as hell and I simply avoid that culture. But a greater example and of practical use would be MapQuest. That is as slow as molasses these days and it does nothing better, nor are there any more features to it than a few years ago. If there are any, I certainly don't see or use them. I realise they changed their format slightly, but certainly not for productivity's sake.  
 

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Re: Modern web browser for 68k amigas?
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2009, 02:02:42 AM »
This just turned up at Amiga-news.de.
 

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Re: Modern web browser for 68k amigas?
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2009, 02:11:30 AM »
@save:
you might just as well ignore this thread. calm down. none will come to your house and take your beloved outdated web browser away if an alternative would appear. from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs, if i dare to quote.
 

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Re: Modern web browser for 68k amigas?
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2009, 03:22:35 AM »
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This just turned up at Amiga-news.de.


Interesting project. I just gave it a try on both Mac and my A2500. Opens up the terminal in Mac's 10.5 and seems to want to run. Threw it on the Miggy and had to adjust the stack size waaaaay past 8192 in order for it to "run". It's dog slow, even on the 060/Picasso and unless I'm doing something terribly wrong here, brings my system to a near hault.

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Not worried about obselescence. Just getting tired of the planned nonesense is all. ALL of the problems I have been experiencing the past 10 years have been on the PeeCee and  Mac platforms. No real complaints using *any* Amiga browser as the expectations are that much different. They are what they are(IBrowse being the best for classic 68k systems IMO). And most of them navigate much of the web just fine. With each "advancement" of Safari on a 2.1ghz G5, the internet experience has gradually gotten slower and slower. I expect an OS to bring a system to a crawl after a while, but the latest Safari 3.2.1 is what I've been noticing poor internet experiences with lately. Firefox and Camino are not much better.  
 

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Re: Modern web browser for 68k amigas?
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2009, 04:23:04 AM »
I found browsing using AWeb on my A1200 w/ '030 at 50MHz a painful experience.  But it was fun to setup...

I find it interesting to see the positive results with people using an '060.  Makes me wonder about future upgrades...
 

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Re: Modern web browser for 68k amigas?
« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2009, 05:23:07 AM »
FWIW I agree that many of the current internet "features" hinder rather then enhance the web experience.  I rarely turn flash on and 95% of what i actually use or need from a web page is the same as it was 10 years ago: ie reading text, downloadind files, banking and forums.  Sure i might download the odd video, but thats just playing back a file.  So why does it seam the its taking as long to do these things when the hardware is 100 times faster and bigger?
 

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Re: Modern web browser for 68k amigas?
« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2009, 07:12:59 AM »
Many people has said that netsurf would be realistic for 68k amigas, it eats lot a less memory than owb and it would be many ways easier to port
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

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Re: Modern web browser for 68k amigas?
« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2009, 02:10:18 PM »
@save2600

In case you want to learn more about this project, the author/creator of Merlin browser is now posting
here

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Re: Modern web browser for 68k amigas?
« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2009, 02:10:28 PM »
(double post)

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Re: Modern web browser for 68k amigas?
« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2009, 02:11:11 PM »
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brianb wrote:
I found browsing using AWeb on my A1200 w/ '030 at 50MHz a painful experience.  But it was fun to setup...

I find it interesting to see the positive results with people using an '060.  Makes me wonder about future upgrades...


I've used AWeb and Ibrowse running on a 2000 with 030@50MHz, and CV64/3D and thought it was pretty usable speed. AGA is very slow compared to a gfx card and eats cpu time. My main Amiga uses a CSMK3 68060@75MHz + Voodoo4/FastEthernet + 15k Ultra SCSI HD. I have some of AWeb, like the image decoders, compiled for the 68060 but not the main program yet. I think a fair amount more speed can be found in the code as well. I do believe a well written clean browser with most modern browser support (like CSS) is capable of running on high end classic Amigas with good speed.
 

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Re: Modern web browser for 68k amigas?
« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2009, 02:25:39 PM »
@number6: frankly everything i see is the author of os4 netsurf port posting.
 

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Re: Modern web browser for 68k amigas?
« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2009, 02:30:43 PM »
@wawrzon

Post #13
Merlin Browser Development.

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Re: Modern web browser for 68k amigas?
« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2009, 02:33:05 PM »
to clarify, i dont stress on flash or java although it would be nice to have such options. just something to render regular hps in proper layout and fill forms online. owb is able to do it on os4 while it doesnt support java or flash. for me it is reasonable minimum. and since ibrowse is fast enough on my 060 a4k i dont think css capable browser is impossible for 68k.

@number6: ah, ok.