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Offline utri007Topic starter

Modern web browser for 68k amigas?
« on: March 26, 2009, 01:52:26 PM »
Hi

Netsurf OS4 port has made so that 68k port would be easy to make?

I really want modern web brower to my a1200 and unfortynately I'm not a coder :(

Is there any progres to port Netsurf to Os 3.0 - 3.9
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007Topic starter

Re: Netsurf 68k
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2009, 08:13:31 AM »
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ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

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Re: Netsurf 68k
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2009, 11:15:47 AM »
I would imagine the browser ported to AROS would be an easier place to start...
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Re: Modern web browser for 68k amigas?
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2009, 11:49:01 AM »
@utri007:

There's a modern web browser for 68k Amiga, here:

http://strohmayer.org/download.php/OWB_m68k.lha

It needs a *VERY* fast Amiga though !


 

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Re: Modern web browser for 68k amigas?
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2009, 12:03:20 PM »
yeah. the current 68k owb isnt good for nuthin. it has no gui (one could make a limited one since it has rudimentary arexx interface) but it wold miss a lot of comands one would expect from a browser. except of that its dead slow, and doesnt show most of pages really correctly, since it is only a quick and dirty one.

i have looked at the sources of netsurf and it seems that it wouldnt be that hard to adopt it to os3.x. os4 is already worked on and official target. but im not a coder and even if i have set up 68k compilers on my miggy and pc it will probably be beyond my skills forever.
 

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Re: Modern web browser for 68k amigas?
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2009, 04:16:36 PM »
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0amigan0 wrote:
@utri007:

There's a modern web browser for 68k Amiga, here:

http://strohmayer.org/download.php/OWB_m68k.lha

It needs a *VERY* fast Amiga though !
So does it run on a 68000 processor? or it needs an 68030 processor to run? What does *VERY* fast imply?

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Re: Modern web browser for 68k amigas?
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2009, 04:31:16 PM »
it crawls on a 060, if this is enough! :-)

 

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Re: Modern web browser for 68k amigas?
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2009, 05:43:56 PM »
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it crawls on a 060, if this is enough!

which is the least to say. but somehow owb68 behaves quite strange. sometimes it seems to wait for something while there is no 100% cpu load, on other ocassions just like at the moment (i just threw it on to recall) it seems to occupy 100% of the cpu constantly after the page has been rendered down to the very last detail. strangely the system is responsive though. world of wonders..
 

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Re: Modern web browser for 68k amigas?
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2009, 06:48:58 PM »
Where did you find a modern 68k amiga?
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Re: Modern web browser for 68k amigas?
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2009, 07:00:51 PM »
Golem: perfect response :-) Processing the HTML tags alone in a lot of today's "modern" websites would push even a 060 - if you want add modern technology such as AJAX on top of that...forget it. :-) which is why no one is going to update the 68k browsers in a usable or be able to make them usable.  i can tell you that, having worked a little on "a" 68k browser engine myself :-)
 

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Re: Modern web browser for 68k amigas?
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2009, 09:43:49 PM »
The W3C introduced XHTML as a standard because "Today's market consists of different browser technologies, some browsers run on computers, and some browsers run on mobile phones or other small devices. The last-mentioned do not have the resources or power to interpret a "bad" markup language."
http://www.w3schools.com/Xhtml/xhtml_why.asp

So (ignoring CSS and Javascript) can't simple valid-XHTML be processed on an Amiga without pulling the whole machine down?
 

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Re: Modern web browser for 68k amigas?
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2009, 10:38:39 PM »
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Processing the HTML tags alone in a lot of today's "modern" websites would push even a 060


Wrong! AWeb on my '060 Amiga is about as fast as Firefox on my Pentium 4 Mobile laptop. That includes picture loading and Javascript at the same time. Loading on Firefox is "usually" faster but then there are times when the machine and browser are completely unresponsive for several seconds. This never happens on the Amiga. Sometimes slower but consistent wins the race.

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i can tell you that, having worked a little on "a" 68k browser engine myself :-)


Then you didn't know how to program! I have an Amiga with a fast browser right here and it only takes one exception to prove you wrong. I hope you find my response as annoying as I found yours.
 

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Re: Modern web browser for 68k amigas?
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2009, 12:00:44 AM »
Well spoken Matthey. As I've written before, my A2500 w/ its graphics card, 060 & ethernet seems to be as fast (or faster) as anything I've used - on the websites I like to visit. The unnecessarily opulent websites others are talking about... hate to say it, but MANY of todays sites and coding blow chunks. Look at the landscape of todays "programmers". What they are churning out is not efficient and much of it is unnatractive. Can you say MySpace? I'm generalising here, but the internet is changing alright, but not for the better. All of the popups, constantly moving graphics, commercialism, horrible graphic designs and even the search engines... yeah, they may need more processing power and modern browsers alright. But who besides a tween gives a damn about most of them anyway? I may have a touch of adult attention deficit (lol and thanks for making me that way society!), but the internet is getting more and more annoying by the year. I say today's internet is de-evolutionary to be sure. Sorry for the rant  :-P
 

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Re: Modern web browser for 68k amigas?
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2009, 12:33:26 AM »

And such a cut and paste rant it was...

We'd be so much more productive, if the web was still entirely static html pages... [rolleyes]
 

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Re: Modern web browser for 68k amigas?
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2009, 01:44:14 AM »
Oh c'mon, I'm not talking about static web pages. And not sure what you mean by a "cut and paste" rant. These are my own observations. I haven't really followed the thread Re: Wayne switching servers, if that's what you meant. That sounds like a necessary deal anyway, if not just for the sake of security. All I'm saying is that there is nothing -new- on the internet that would compel me to continually upgrade my browsers and/or computers.  And when your old haunts "upgrade" and force you to do likewise, the results are usually mediocre or disappointing. Security would be the only issue that I'd make concessions for. Sad commentary though when that's at the forefront of your thoughts. But, kind of back to the topic, even with modern browsers, I purposely and often turn off Java because of the blatant annoyance factor. Java: another great example of how technology is not being utilised productively. I'm not saying every site mind you, but a very large percentage of the ones I visit (news quickly comes to mind) are more tolerable with the scripting turned off.

Computers are getting faster and faster, yet the internet browsing experience is getting slower and slower. I fail to see how MySpace is "productive". It's annoying as hell and I simply avoid that culture. But a greater example and of practical use would be MapQuest. That is as slow as molasses these days and it does nothing better, nor are there any more features to it than a few years ago. If there are any, I certainly don't see or use them. I realise they changed their format slightly, but certainly not for productivity's sake.