Do you have military grade chips in your Amiga?

[odin]

I do wonder whose alter-ego DoomMeister is. He _is_ good at getting under ppl's skins :-).

[iamaboringperson]

DoomMaster wrote:
To DonnyEMU:

You do NOT know what you are talking about when it comes to these chips.     :-o

@"DoomMaster"
I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm making fun of you(I'm told that somebody around here doesn't want to be picked on) however, when most people here disagree with you, you tell them they are wrong and that you are correct.
If you really know so much about these chips, it would be nice if you could back up all of your claims. Please provide us with a URL for some(or just one) webpage(s) to back up your view.
I believe you are wrong about this whole mil-spec issue. Have you seen the page I pointed you to earlier?
That backs up what I have believed about mil-spec components for years.
I knew a guy who learned about computers from his electronics course in the navy. When it came to electronics, he was good - bloody good.
And we both agreed about the meanings of different spec.'s.
Please provide us with backup to what you are saying.
A title of a book, an ISBN, a web address, a lengthy description ... anything.

Just telling us that you know more than us doesn't prove anything.
I'm not trying to pick on you "DoomMaster", I'm just trying to get the facts straight.
 :-)

[N7VQM]

DoomMaster wrote:

You do NOT know what you are talking about when it comes to these chips.  

Until you provide some solid proof (i.e. a datasheet with environmental limits, statements from MOS employees or Amiga designers), you are on shakey ground.  Financial logic is against you.  Designing the Amiga custom chips to MIL-SPEC would have been VERY expensive and totally unnecessary.

The Amiga custom chips ran at a high clock speed for the time.  Transistors then were not as efficient as modern transistors.  Everytime a transitor changes state, it disipates power as heat.   Combine high power disipation at every switch with lots of transistors switching millions of times per second and you get a lot of heat.  The only safe way to disipate that heat is through a ceramic package.  Why wasn't the 68000 ceramic?  Motorola had a MUCH better process than MOS.  Money can do that.   Simple as that.

[orgamsatron]

I highly doubt there were any military grade custom amiga chips ever made.  Perhaps some of the "glue logic" ICs on the original A1000 might have been such parts, but considering the cost difference...?

My understanding of military grade is the chips have simply undergone more rigourous testing before packaging, nothing more.  Basically, they're certified by the manufacture to withstand a bit more abuse than consumer parts.

Standard military grade ICs can be identified by a "54" number instead of "74".  In other words, it's written on the label rather than a type of packaging or pins or whatever.

[Floid]

@mikeymike, @karlos,

mikeymike wrote:
@ Floid

The only advice I give to people thinking about a hard disk purchase is that it's best to buy a lower capacity disk, say half the size of the largest available.  The 'latest and greatest' tend to be the most problematic IMO.  Also, remember that every disk manufacturer has had their own major PR disaster regarding dodgy batches of disks :-)

Heh, I'd never suggest that WD had a stunning track record.  I just happened to fall for the idea that, maybe, finally, they might've sorted some of it out.  Point being that Fujitsu's problem was counter to that rule of thumb - they're in the business of making reliable, conservative drives for reliable, conservative sorts of people, and unfortunately, their defective units were right in that 20-40GB 'safe zone' behind other manufacturers' problematic 60+GB drives.

Don't think we need another drive 'war,' or at least, I already hashed that out in another thread.  Seagates are great if you know what model you're getting, I've just landed some of their more boring/silly designs.  (The 351A/X, staid 40MB? IDE of times past; one ridiculously fast HH - not the normal 'slim' height we expect from 3.5" floppies and modern drives - 540MB in that era, and the 2.1GB 'cudas, which were warm-running early 7200RPM units, and had unimpressive transfer rates versus the suddenly-quarter-of-the-price larger drives with higher density platters.  Now that this Interweb thing is here, I look up the spec sheets before I buy.)

[iamaboringperson]

Standard military grade ICs can be identified by a "54" number instead of "74". In other words, it's written on the label rather than a type of packaging or pins or whatever.

Erm ... that only applies to 74' series logic chips. :-)

All other IC families have different numbering systems. :-)

[DeQuevedo]

Hi

I have a 68010 a 14 Mhz and 8 Mhz one too, military grade IC just laying here.

It has come from a LaserDisc arcade board by philips, and at his time, this 68010 series came from the 68010 made especially by motorola for philips, for a secret philips proyect, later dropped.

It has a philips signature underside, I think, I can´t remember by now

How much?

Have Fun infected incubes!

[Karlos]

Didnt phillips (badly) clone the 68000 core, add some UARTs and stuff and then call it a 68070?

I bet that number excited a few people when they first heard it :lol:

[DeQuevedo]

Not exactly.

The 68k core was half-licenced by motorola in order to make a derivated for internal desings only.

I think it were used for a few comercial electronics (CD-I was one IIRC)

Have Fun

[carls]

I'm just thinking.... Even if there ARE military grade chips to put in your Amiga, what good would they be if the MoBo isn't military grade?

Wouldn't that be like putting a tank engine in your SUV and say "now this baby's military grade, man..." ;-)

[DeQuevedo]

Only that the ICs, are supossed, to be highest quality, but no more.

If a mobbo resistor go melt, you can make a picasso picture for your room with the the military grade ICs They are useless.

The "normal" amiga custom chips are well made enough to make the job, IMO

Best Regards

[adz]

With all those "military IC's" it sounds as if someone is trying to build his own Patriot missile system :destroy: .

[mikeymike]

Is it just me, or is everyone thinking "DIE THREAD DIE!" ?

@ adz

Please reduce the size of your sig by 90%.


Chuck the specs of your machines into text/html page/s and upload them to a website, then URL them either when necessary of in your sig.

[Framiga]

by carls on 2003/9/14 14:03:22

I'm just thinking.... Even if there ARE military grade chips to put in your Amiga, what good would they be if the MoBo isn't military grade?

Wouldn't that be like putting a tank engine in your SUV and say "now this baby's military grade, man..."

I think that DoomMaster aka Amiga2000King on AW  HERE likes play with us.

At the beginning, i was annoyed by his "clone replyes" but . . . . now i can live with it.

Ciao

PS- even if he say, sometimes, right things.

[Karlos]

mikeymike wrote:
Is it just me, or is everyone thinking "DIE THREAD DIE!" ?

Well, you do have that perogative :-)

What's the deal with large signatures? Is it a technical problem or ... ?

[Nick]

None of my Amiga`s have military grade components, but my PSU is an old Russian nuclear reactor. Does the job quite well. It still struggles to keep up with my upgrading :-D