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Re: Is this thread for real? (AInc has <$100)
« Reply #89 from previous page: September 10, 2003, 12:04:26 PM »
You mean this?

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1251&forum=15&2


Yes, very constructive and lengthy discussion of the matter. This is where it should have been discussed. The other topic is a bit different topic, imho.


I must admit I was surprissed by the lack of response to that thread...

The other topic is a bit different topic, imho.

You mean the Trademark newsitem ? When falemagn brought the 100 dollar subject up Ben responded to that so it's no longer on topic...
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Re: Is this thread for real? (AInc has <$100)
« Reply #90 on: September 10, 2003, 12:06:22 PM »
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Here ya go oh humble mortal (Not sure why you wrote it like that other then to annoy me?)


Because you almost literally asked for it with your style? (Without providing a link or any clue you stated that most of this thread is bullshit, and how much better is "red sided info".)
 

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Re: Is this thread for real? (AInc has <$100)
« Reply #91 on: September 10, 2003, 12:07:49 PM »
I am more amazed that no-one has bring up unpaid taxes in the other threat (which, I believe, is a criminal act?).

I think this is a very serious issue and should not be put under a mat. At least it tells a lot about how they run business.

 

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Re: Is this thread for real? (AInc has <$100)
« Reply #92 on: September 10, 2003, 12:21:35 PM »
Because you almost literally asked for it with your style? (Without providing a link or any clue you stated that most of this thread is bullshit, and how much better is "red sided info".)

No I didn't, and I didn't say the red sided info was better. You just like to assume that.

Once again, I don't give a damn about who will win this so called war, I'm just getting tired about the one sided info being given here and on other sites so that people can't make their own opinion.. Sure we can blame that on Amiga Inc not saying anything, but that is simple to explain; they aren't allowed to because of the lawsuits.

I'm beginning to uderstand why Ikir, The Editor and many others are not comming here anymore.. You're not allowed to be neutral, and if you post something positive about Amiga Inc, bang you're in trouble..
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Re: Is this thread for real? (AInc has <$100)
« Reply #93 on: September 10, 2003, 12:23:55 PM »
I am more amazed that no-one has bring up unpaid taxes in the other threat (which, I believe, is a criminal act?).

Maybe that's one of the oher lawsuits ?
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Re: Is this thread for real? (AInc has <$100)
« Reply #94 on: September 10, 2003, 12:30:07 PM »
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I'm beginning to uderstand why Ikir, The Editor and many others are not comming here anymore.. You're not allowed to be neutral, and if you post something positive about Amiga Inc, bang you're in trouble..


And hope you know why I have cancelled my AmigaWorld.net account.
 

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Re: Is this thread for real? (AInc has <$100)
« Reply #95 on: September 10, 2003, 12:30:46 PM »
@Waccoon

   No one asked you for your sympathy. I sent in my $50 as a gesture for all the good times I had with my Amiga.  Watching the way that was (mis)handled told me everything I needed to know anout Amiga Inc.

    If this topic had come out a year ago the defenders would have been in the dozens. Now just only one or two lonely voices.  This forum is called Amiga.org and have you ever seen anyone from that company post here? The answer is no you have not. You ave seen people from Genesi and Hyperion regularly and sometimes to answer questions they did not like.

The sooner Amiga Inc. sinks out of sight the better.

 

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Re: Is this thread for real? (AInc has <$100)
« Reply #96 on: September 10, 2003, 12:31:47 PM »
gotta say i love your signature. it is SO correct these days :)
 

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Re: Is this thread for real? (AInc has <$100)
« Reply #97 on: September 10, 2003, 12:37:49 PM »
What does Hyperion think about all this ?

Ben?

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Re: Is this thread for real? (AInc has <$100)
« Reply #98 on: September 10, 2003, 12:39:16 PM »
And hope you know why I have cancelled my AmigaWorld.net account.

No I don't.. It may not be as neutral as Amiga.org once was, and Pegasos/MOS threads aren't encouraged but I harldy see any of the personal attacks there as here..

Note just in case; I'm not refering to you now
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Re: Is this thread for real? (AInc has <$100)
« Reply #99 on: September 10, 2003, 01:34:44 PM »
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No I don't.. It may not be as neutral as Amiga.org once was, and Pegasos/MOS threads aren't encouraged but I harldy see any of the personal attacks there as here..


There are no personal insults on morphzone.org either. It just indicates that we have a "ethnically clean situation" on both of the mentioned sites. That's why I frequent amiga.org and ann more, to meet different opinions as well.

Having always one side of the story is comforting, but means one partly cheates him/herself. *shrugs* I don't know of neither a triarchy nor Genesi vocal entity who you can trust without a bit of a doubt.

I still keep (and I know even radical reds who share this opinion) amiga.org the best ground for colliding different opinions without "violence". (for violent clashes we have ann) Some may disagree though.
 

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Re: Is this thread for real? (AInc has <$100)
« Reply #100 on: September 10, 2003, 01:49:03 PM »
Having always one side of the story is comforting, but means one partly cheates him/herself. *shrugs* I don't know of neither a triarchy nor Genesi vocal entity who you can trust without a bit of a doubt.

Agreed.. That's why I posted in this thread in the first place, to give the other side's info.. The lots of BS was more related to the bitching/mudslinging going on again..
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Re: Is this thread for real? (AInc has <$100)
« Reply #101 on: September 10, 2003, 08:56:45 PM »
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What happens IF the said contract was also linked with “AMIGA Development LLC”?


Ben has repeatedly said his contract is with Amiga Inc a company founded by Bill, Barry & Randy with VC money, not with Amiga Development LLC who was founded by Ted Waite as a subsidiary of Gateway.   Amiga Development LLC, for the most part still owns most of what we think of as amiga, Amino (ie Amiga Inc) has an exclusive license for it.  Hyperion and Eyetech would be in much better straits if there deal was with the Gateway subsidiary.
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Re: Is this thread for real? (AInc has <$100)
« Reply #102 on: September 10, 2003, 10:23:00 PM »
Lets hear from Ben... they're always very vocal on ANN.... bit quiet on this subject though....
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Re: Is this thread for real? (AInc has <$100)
« Reply #103 on: September 10, 2003, 11:47:09 PM »
MAn, what a read..... :-o

First off, I'm no lawyer, but my best friend is a DA here in Texas. He had some interesting things to say.

If AI does go bust, as it seems, they have to liquidate. All contracts would be null and void, so we have to start over. (again). Debts are paid first, then investors. Easiest way to pay off a bankruptcy is to sell off IPs. (a la Commowhore and Escom) Since they don't own them, they sell the licenses. Chump change, even with the new IPs added with the 'DE'.
Wouldn't be enough to pull their arses out of the fire.

Also, Hyperion, be it Ben, Thomas, or Hans-Jorg, stated somewhere that they added a clause in their contract that should AI pop, they retain all IPs *THEY* have created.  I didn't understand this at first, but Shannon cleared it up a bit for me.

Even if AI croaks, which seems to be likely, Hyperion still owns the rights to their own IPs on the new OS design codes. Even though they're using the original code, it's STILL their IP; their code. It works the same ways as MorphOS. It's based off Amiga design and runs on Amiga hardware, but it's NOT amiga. (Before I get flamed by everyone, most of you should know that I only speak when I feel there is a need to say something. I am impartial to all. I have UAE and Amithlon and I'd like to get a Peg as well as an A1, but unless I win the lotto, it isn't going to happen. Besides, if I win the lotto, I'll use the money to bail AI *OUT* of the frying pan and into fire, but only if Bill steps down as CEO, if anything just to stop the damned 'God Bless' crap at the end of every pathetic piece of news AI calls an 'executive update.' I used to respect McEwen, but we all know hes a fop and a waste of breathable amiga air. Regardless of what people say, he's done nothing to save Amiga, other than buying the IP license from Gateway. IMO, he's no better than Medi Ahli (sp), but at least that bag of #### jumped ship before it sunk. McEwan's gonna run this baby on shore and scuttle it.)

Hyperion made a good choice when writing the terms of their contract. They can still release OS4, though it won't have the Amiga name and more than likely, will be forced to run on the A1 boxes only.  


If McEwan was smart, he'd let Thendic have the DE and drop the frivilous lawsuits. (We all know DE is complete ####, can't do what was claimed (Thank you TAO) and is nothing but vapor, which is what you can expect from *ANY* company with the name 'AMIGA'.) :-?

OS4 should have never been pulled from BPlan, but McEwan had to bitch about MorphOS. For what it is, it's good and it has hell of a lot more support from developers and consumers than Amiga Inc. Thendic talks alot of #### and flames ALL over, but it's obvious they care about what few users are left in Amiga-Land, but the same goes for Eyetech and Hyperion.

Eyetech invested alot of their own money on the A1 project and I respect them for that. I also respect Hyperion for their devotion to a dead and, I'm sorry if I offend anyone, dated OS worthy only of emulation. I think it's ####ed up that they have to take side work and credit lines to fuel their project, when the parent company they're coding for doesn't support them in the slightest.

You know, it wouldnt' have hurt McEwen to show up to CeBit. Even if they didn't have much to show, even if it was only a few 'emulated' PPC modules, at least it would show that Amiga was still *ALIVE*. No, he had to play games and #### with people's beliefs, steal their money and never defend himself when charged with 'dubious' methods, except with 'It's not true.'

Are any of you the least bit suprised?? You all act as though you didn't see this coming?? I have no faith in Amiga Inc. I have no faith in the 'Amiga' name. I have *NO* faith in the people that haven't paid their employees in a year (if that indeed is the case). I have even less for Bill Buck, if anything for his pathetic attempts to stir more support from an already bleagured group of resistors.

But I do have faith in Hyperion and Eyetech.

Regardless of if AI pukes on its own words and ends up where it belongs, in the 'we could have made it' businesses, Hyperion will follow through on their word. It maybe Hyperion OS1 or whatever, but they'll get it out. At least they're honest about the dates. They don't say anything. If it's pushed back, they apologize, but also say, 'believe in us, it's worth the wait.' For some reason, that holds more for me than anything Mr. God Bless has to say.

That's why I'm waiting for OS4. I don't care about AI or ALLC. I care about Hyperion. They *ARE* Amiga.

Now if you will excuse me, Raistlin, the rest of his party and I have a date with Mangar in his tower, not to mention, I have a lottery ticket to go buy.

 :-D

You know, it's funny. Never once did I think that buying a lottery ticket was worth it (to me, it's simply and 'idiot tax'.), but after reading this thread, it seems so much more worth it. :cry:
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Re: Is this thread for real? (AInc has <$100)
« Reply #104 on: September 11, 2003, 12:26:25 AM »
Methuselas: Agree on most of this... Well written and has
essentials in it.

(IMHO IANAL)

Hyperion Owning their written code is likely to be clear, but do
Hyperion have undisputable right to distribute it cause they have
openly admitted USING old copyrighted sourcecode as a reference
without paying license to it's rigthfull owner (whoerver that happen
to be by the time OS4 is released?)?.

Besides.. that would not get them home free. They have announced usign
a lot of old 3rd party products (like ARexx) whose licensing  had been
questioable even today. If this Ainc-collapse happens, (imho) Hyperion
has *NO* way to include any of those olds parts whatsoever without
major hassle (+exxpense) of relicensing them all. Or to
re-implementing them...


And third.. Name.. That they can't get to it.. so may it be HypeOS or
whatever it would not be any more Amiga than those other ones. ... Ok
I know some people will consider 'original source' a major differing
factor... :)