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Re: help needed, just set up amiga 1200
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2009, 09:42:58 PM »
Things have picked up; I have a GUI unarchiver in my OS3.9 setup installed by default. But hey, if you're this impatient and expect Windows XP experience, maybe Amiga is not for you... ?
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Re: help needed, just set up amiga 1200
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2009, 09:43:06 PM »
Think about it though, it sounds like you're using an Amiga with a spec from 1992 or thereabouts. No PC would open an archive just by clicking on it then either unless you installed extra stuff - in fact, some PCs wouldn't click at all back then ;-)

Although progress has been slow, the Amiga has come a long way since then too. I can click on an LHA and see the contents on my machines, but that's just because they're all a bit more up-to-date than a plain A1200. If you had OS3.9 you could simply double click them to open the file with the built-in unarchiver. With a little bit of perseverance though you could at least extract an archive tool by hand, and once that's done you could use that from then on.

Unfortunately, by default the Amiga doesn't recognise files that have no icons associated with them. There are patches you can install which give it this ability, then it will act more like Windows etc. Most functionality that you seem to be looking for wasn't standard back then, but can be added by installing third-party apps from Aminet and other places.

For starters, you could do far worse than install Directory Opus 4, it's old but very good software for managing files, has built-in unpacking functions for archives, and filetype recognition and viewers so you don't need to worry about creating icons for "foreign" files.

It can be downloaded for free here:

http://dopus.free.fr/download.php

though you will have to unpack it by hand using the Shell command given a few times above...
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Re: help needed, just set up amiga 1200
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2009, 10:11:30 PM »
i think im expecting to much from the old dear,
dont know what i expected realy. but it was worth a try,
how can i get hold of os3.5 or 3.9. and would my accelerator be ok with it.
things might get a little better if i had that os,
thanks for all the help that you have given, but the above instructions do not work for me,
is there a link that i can go to that would give me a print out, of any instructions regarding this dam lha rubish ??.
and why use that lha anyway. what is rong with winzip or winrar and surely it could be adapted to the amiga.
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Re: help needed, just set up amiga 1200
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2009, 10:25:55 PM »
How to use lha --> here

Regardless of the OS you have, you are not using icons in a MS Windows like enviroment to unpack and pack files, you are using the Shell (the Amiga version of MS-DOS) until such time as you get something else to do the hard work for you, like the afore-mentioned Directory Opus.

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Re: help needed, just set up amiga 1200
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2009, 12:09:28 AM »
There is rar and there is zip. Winrar and winzip are just shells/guis for those. When AmigaOS3.1 was new there weren't any of those for windows either, or they were just around the corner.

That's what I'm saying. Use a windows environment from 1992 and you will feel the same kind of frustration as you are now. That's what you have to compare with.

lha will work if you copy it to the right place, name it correctly and use it as it's supposed to.

It has to be in your C directory on your boot partition. It has to be named lha and nothing else. Then you have to be in the same folder as the file you want to extract or give a full path to it for it to work.

Then you have to give the correct arguments for it. If you just enter lha filename.lha nothing will happen except you'll see the list of commands. To extract you have to give the x argument. Syntax is as follows:

> lha x path:to/file.lha path:to/extraced

If you have changed directory (cd) to where the lha file is and you want to extract it in the same location you just type

> lha x file.lha

That's the simplest way.


I wonder if you got it right after you ran the selfextracting lha.run.

When you run that file it will extract these files:

lha_68020
lha_68040
lha_68k
lha_68k.readme

They should be in the same folder as you had the lha.run.

Depending on what CPU you want you need to copy one of them to your C

For a 1200 the safest bet is the lha_68020 file. That needs to be copied to C and renamed to just lha. This can be done easiest with typing this:

> copy lha_68020 C:lha

This copies the file lha_68020 to C and gives it the name lha in one go.

After that you should be able to extract any lha file no matter where you are on your harddrive. Just remember that both the compressed file and all the extracted files will still be there unless you do it in your ram disk since that will be cleared when you reboot. Extracting losts of files just anywhere on your harddrive will clog your file system up and make it difficult to read so keep that in mind. I always extract to ram: because of this.

Take that suggestion and download DirectoryOpus. It's a great file handling program but it's the same there, you need to exctract it before installing and it will need to have lha in C as well to work properly. It doesn't have lha built into it like winrar does for example.

Using an Amiga has a bit of a learning curve for someone who's used to a windows xp system or a mac system for that matter. There are some subtle differences, differences that I myself think are advantages. Probably because I'm used to them. I'm so used to using shell/console that I often do things in a DOS window when I'm in XP. Just feel more comfortable like that.

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Re: help needed, just set up amiga 1200
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2009, 12:23:08 AM »
@leytond
Yeah, I think you're expecting too much of it too, though it's not the machine itself or the fact that the file is in lha format - Amigas can unpack zip or rar archives too! The problem is that your software is woefully out of date, and to update it to have a nice point-and-click unpacker, you need to either a)download, unpack (by hand) and install a front-end for lha, or b)upgrade to OS3.9 with its included extractor. You're looking for a nice front-end for unpacking archives, but back in 1992 chances are you would be using DOS commands to extract your archives too...

If you type exactly what you typed and the message you got from lha, it would help us to know what's going wrong with your setup so we can help you sort it out.

What accelerator do you have? OS3.9 will work on pretty much anything more than a bare A1200 - even a RAM expansion might get you by. OS3.9 is on sale here:

http://www.vesalia.de/e_os39.htm

Bear in mind though that you may also have to update the ROMs inside your A1200 if it only has 3.0 ROMs in it now. (Check this with the Workbench->About menu item, if it's 39.106 you need to update to use OS3.9).
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Re: help needed, just set up amiga 1200
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2009, 02:09:50 AM »
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well strugeling dont even come close, after 5 days of trying to get a cdrom working on my 1200, i finaly give up,
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my amiga is a 1200 with 3.1 roms, apollo 1200 expansion with 8 meg ram on it 80 gig hard drive with os3.1 and a dvd cd rom , someone help me  PLEASE.


I feel your pain, as a new Amiga user myself with years of PC use I also found it all very hard to adjust.

I find you only learn by doing.  There are some good guides on the Net (eg the Green Alien) but most of them are a bit out of date now.

The first thing you should do is upgrade to OS 3.9, I did this using my PC running WINUAE as my 1200 desktop doesn't have a CDROM.  It took my about a 1000 attempts but I'm slowing getting it all setup the way I want it :)
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Re: help needed, just set up amiga 1200
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2009, 02:27:53 AM »
Hey dude,

Just get this: http://classicwb.abime.net/

There are unarchiving tools & loads of other goodies built in...it'll make your life sooooo much easier! :-)

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Re: help needed, just set up amiga 1200
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2009, 03:27:20 AM »
oh yeah forgot about that, and there's also AmigaSys.

You still learn more by setting up your own install though.
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Re: help needed, just set up amiga 1200
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2009, 10:40:48 AM »
@NovaCoder
Doh! I missed the spec in the first post. Yeah, you should be able to install 3.9 straight off on that machine, no problem!
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Re: help needed, just set up amiga 1200
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2009, 10:44:16 AM »
ive downloaded a package fro the site but it just looks like an emulater for the pc, ??????
 

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Re: help needed, just set up amiga 1200
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2009, 11:55:21 AM »
looks like ill have to bite the bullet and get OS3.5, anyone know were i can get this from.
 

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Re: help needed, just set up amiga 1200
« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2009, 01:40:06 PM »
Try reading the text from the Classic Workbench site.

You only need 3.1 (which you already have).

A little bit of thought will also help you make the installation process on a real Amiga HDD easier than explained on the site, but you can figure that out yourself...PM me if you really, really can't figure it out.

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Re: help needed, just set up amiga 1200
« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2009, 07:12:13 PM »
might be me being totaly stupid, but dam i cant get this thing working, ive just lost the whole of my dh0: partition it says dh0:???? adn ive had to format it and install os3.1 again, how could this happen when im actualy using this so called computer. no matter what i do its one problem after the other, (is this all realy worth it),
has anyone got any sujestion regarding this dam lha and zip problem , yes i can download files but they are nearly all lha or zip and still unable to extract them , cos i cat read the cds with my amiga, the dam idefix is a lha file, pmsl,
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Re: help needed, just set up amiga 1200
« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2009, 07:25:40 PM »
Several users have already told you what you need to do - for example Munchkin's instructions on how to install lha, how to extract lha files, how to install IDEfix etc....

Have you tried any of those instructions?

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Re: help needed, just set up amiga 1200
« Reply #29 from previous page: January 30, 2009, 07:28:20 PM »
yep tried all, when i tir to extreact a lha file it says the file is not executable ,
ive copied the files into the c: directory and rebooted several times and yet nothing, /????.