Still can't get OS3.9 +BB1+2 installed on my 4000T..

[marcfrick2112]

Hey everyone,

Still no luck installing 3.9 on my A4000T.. I was able to install OS 3.9 and BB's 1 and 2. Throughout all of this, sometimes, when I rebooted (cold or warm, no difference) I would see the screen flash, then nothing, black screen no disk activity. My amiga worked fine for a few hours, then again it's back to the black screen. At this point, the onlt way to get it to boot at all, is to disable ALL hard drives via Early Startup, and boot from my 3.9 Emergency disk, yet after this all my hard drives show up... But, I can't boot 3.9 reliably from my hard drive.
This system Was working with 3.1 OK, except that my storage hdd was 4.5GB, so anytime I copied stuff past 4GB, boom! hdd is toast, I thought installing 3.9 would be the 'easy way'..
OK, a few questions... I know OS3.9 forces a second reboot for the ROM updates, but I don't see a second screen flash like I do on my 1200T with a working 3.9 install. Also, software that says it will reboot the computer, don't actually reboot it. (e.g. OS 3.9 installation) Could this be a problem, the apparant inability to reboot via software?
The reset button on the 4000T itself works. I have run 'Check4GB' , formatted my 4.5 GB HDD under OS 3.9. I have no hacks, etc. on SYS: (only OxyPatcher, atm)
config:
A4000T (AT) 16MB mobo , CS Mk-3 '060, 128MB, ~1GB HDD (SYS: and Work:) 4.5GB HDD (storage), NEC CD-ROM, Yamaha 4x4x16 CDR, all SCSI via CS-mk3. scanner, Zip 100, via internal scsi.device. Installed cards, VT4000, Flyer, PAR, TBC4

OK, I know at least one of you has 3.9 working on a 4000T ...

I would be eternally grateful for any help. I'll even buy you a beer...  :pint:

[weirdami]

I would be eternally grateful for any help. I'll even buy you a beer...  :pint:

please help responsibly

[Dandy]

marcfrick2112 wrote:
Hey everyone,

Still no luck installing 3.9 on my A4000T.. I was able to install OS 3.9 and BB's 1 and 2. Throughout all of this, sometimes, when I rebooted (cold or warm, no difference) I would see the screen flash, then nothing, black screen no disk activity. My amiga worked fine for a few hours, then again it's back to the black screen. At this point, the onlt way to get it to boot at all, is to disable ALL hard drives via Early Startup, and boot from my 3.9 Emergency disk, yet after this all my hard drives show up... But, I can't boot 3.9 reliably from my hard drive.
This system Was working with 3.1 OK, except that my storage hdd was 4.5GB, so anytime I copied stuff past 4GB, boom! hdd is toast, I thought installing 3.9 would be the 'easy way'..
OK, a few questions... I know OS3.9 forces a second reboot for the ROM updates, but I don't see a second screen flash like I do on my 1200T with a working 3.9 install. Also, software that says it will reboot the computer, don't actually reboot it. (e.g. OS 3.9 installation) Could this be a problem, the apparant inability to reboot via software?
The reset button on the 4000T itself works. I have run 'Check4GB' , formatted my 4.5 GB HDD under OS 3.9. I have no hacks, etc. on SYS: (only OxyPatcher, atm)
config:
A4000T (AT) 16MB mobo , CS Mk-3 '060, 128MB, ~1GB HDD (SYS: and Work:) 4.5GB HDD (storage), NEC CD-ROM, Yamaha 4x4x16 CDR, all SCSI via CS-mk3. scanner, Zip 100, via internal scsi.device. Installed cards, VT4000, Flyer, PAR, TBC4

OK, I know at least one of you has 3.9 working on a 4000T ...

I would be eternally grateful for any help. I'll even buy you a beer...  :pint:

Hmmmmmm - I have no experience with an A4000T - but the error you describe remember me of those I encounter every 1 - 1.5 years in my towered A 4000 D - it seems to be normal.

The reason here is that the pins in the connectors between motherboard and my CyberstormPPC tend to corrode and appear to need cleaning on a more or less regulary basis.

I'm using commercial contact sprays (Kontakt 60 & Kontakt WL) to etch the dirt and to give the contacts a shower.

Just give it enough time to dry before re-assembly.

For me this has always worked and solved the problems of unstability each time up to now.

I sincerly hope your issue has a similar reason...

EDIT:
Just thinking - in case your HD is connected to the SCSI host adapter - is your SCSI-chain correctly  set up
(-> termination)?
A mistake there can also lead to strange phenomena...

[stefcep2]

have you got the phase 5 060 libraries installed in libs?

check that the mark 3 is properly seated in the cpu slot.

have you moved the motherboard cpu jumper to int or ext ( forget which for a mark 3 board)

may be the mark 3 scsi is conflicting with the motherboard scsi when you install 3.9.  Why not put your hard drive and cd drive on the motherboard scsi and disconnect anything on the the cyberscsi interface, then install 3.9

[StormLord]

That seem as a partition problem.....
Make sure the bootable partition is in the first 4GB range of the hard drive..
Also that partition must not be greater than 4GB, although I would recommend a boot partition way smaller than 2GB.
3.9 does support partitions greater than 4GB *BUT* until first reboot that the new rom is initialized amiga is only working from 3.1 rom with all known limitations.
Hope that helps....

[Framiga]

"A4000T (AT) 16MB mobo , CS Mk-3 '060, 128MB, ~1GB HDD (SYS: and Work:) 4.5GB HDD (storage), NEC CD-ROM, Yamaha 4x4x16 CDR, all SCSI via CS-mk3. scanner, Zip 100, via internal scsi.device. Installed cards, VT4000, Flyer, PAR, TBC4"

with the original A4kT PSU?

[marcfrick2112]

Thanks much, everyone.
Alas, now I can't get the 4000T to boot up at all  :boohoo:

OK, I am sure that the SCSI term. and device settings are OK. I have the proper P5 '060 libs: installed. (my 1200T has the exact same libs: )

mobo jumper should be OK, I got the 4000T w/CS and all cards all set up by the seller.

 it could be a poor contact between the CPU slot and the CS, maybe.. (Thanks Dandy)

Framiga : I really can't remember if it's the stock PSU or not... but I have all but 2 hard drives in external self-powered enclosures, and the Zip's external, so I wouldn't think there is that much stress on the PSU...

The aggravating thing is before I starting messing around with 3.9, this machine was rock-solid...

Well, I need to install a Plextor CD-ROM anyway, so I might as well take a look at the beast...

grumble...grumble...

[matthey]

I have a similar setup here. AT 4000T, CSMK3, Yamaha CD burner and AmigaOS 3.9. Everything works fine here. I do have...

The latest CSMK3 flash.
The latest Yamaha CD flash and it's hooked up to the 4000T SCSI.
A replaced power supply (old one was flakey). Newegg.com has an Athena 400W AT PS for a reasonable price.

I only have 1 HD hooked up to the CSMK3 and it needs active termination on BOTH ends of the SCSI bus.

You really need to disconnect everthing but the basic hardware and then add hardware until the problem returns. Note all the other suggestions too.

[marcfrick2112]

Thanks Matthey, assuming I can get my miggy to boot again, (In pieces now...checking out everything) Where can I find the latest flash update for the CS mk3? I found all the various drivers, etc. but no flash updates...

Thanks.

[zipper]

here:
http://phase5.a1k.org/

[twizzle]

i notice you have a flyer listed,
i assume this is a power flyer ??

if so,i have had this very same problem before,and again now,
although my sys is a 1200t running 0s3.5,
the only way i can get my sys to work is the same as you are having to do.
on both occasions it turned out that my power flyer was/is
the problem ?
the first time it just gave up, now it was caused by my pwr supply acting up (over powering)

this is just a suggestion through what i have experienced
mines going back to elbox to be checked out

[marcfrick2112]

Thanks twizzle: Umm, actually it's the Video Toaster Flyer, non-linear video editing thingie...  :-)

Well, gonna try to replace the boot HD with a known working HD with OS3.9. If that doesn't work, then try to replace the PSU.

Ughhh....

[stefcep2]

i think the best advice at this point is to strip the A4000 down to the basic cpu card hard drive and cdrom, preferably with the hard drive and cdrom on the internal ide interface and try a clean install of os 3.9.  Once this works then add your peripherals one by one.  OS 3.9 does update the scsi.device, and there may be some confusion with the this update that causes a conflict with your existing scsi peripherals

[matthey]

You might run HDToolbox and make sure the newest version of the FastFileSystem is installed in the RDB if you are still using FFS. There is a bugfix patch here...

http://amikit.amiga.sk/patches.htm

I would recommend using SFS though. I have been running it for quite a while and it's very good.

[X-ray]

Best advice is to strip it all down and add one device at a time.
I ran 3.9 on my A4000T with original PSU and these items:

Cyberstorm PPC with 128mb
Picasso IV
Yamaha SCSI CD rewriter
9gb HD on Cyberstorm SCSI
4gb HD on internal SCSI
1gb HD on internal SCSI
DKB3128 with 128mb

I then got an ATX PSU (350W) with AT converter and added these items:

2 x DKB3128
1 x Kickflash with a Subway USB attached
1 x IDE to CF adapter and 512mb card

Mine boots fine but I have a config problem with the Kickflash at the moment. I am getting recoverable alerts, but haven't had time to investigate.