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Re: MS Windows 7
« Reply #89 from previous page: January 11, 2009, 11:22:51 PM »
@DBAlex

Haven't worked out all the new shortcuts yet.  But, it does look like group minimize is not there.  Turns out Shift-Click opens another copy of the application (like the right click I mentioned before), and Ctrl-Click cycles between group windows.  

One thing to note is that the help is from Vista, so it isn't 100% accurate.
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Re: MS Windows 7
« Reply #90 on: January 11, 2009, 11:33:27 PM »
@adolescent

Also I've noticed on systems where aero isn't available (such as my VirtualBox install at the moment) Windows Classic is much faster to use (just like on Vista).

Glad MS didn't get rid of it all together (I heard from somewhere that it wouldn't be included)

And thanks for the two tips, useful. But I don't mean "group minimise" I just mean clicking an app in the taskbar and it showing its windows in a vertical list and you selecting one (left clicking once) -- in XP and Vista the default action is to minimize or restore the application depending on it's current state. On Windows 7 it just selects that Window.

What I really mean is, clicking one of these 4 in XP/Vista restores/minimizes the window depening on its current state. In Windows 7 it doesn't and thats inconsistent.

I'm guessing that will throw a lot of people.

It will certainly slow down my usage of Windows until I get used to it...
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Re: MS Windows 7
« Reply #91 on: January 12, 2009, 12:18:58 AM »
@B00tDisk

Works fine here using vmware Fusion on OS X. Direct X 9 emulation is turned on too.


@DonnyEMU

Vista did not run well for millions of people and played nasty with video editing software. It is a turd that M$ is getting away from very fast. If you love Vista you just might be one of the last ones on earth. Even M$ hates Vista, it has cost them dearly. Look stock price before Vista and now.

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Re: MS Windows 7
« Reply #92 on: January 12, 2009, 12:21:17 AM »
@Pyromania

Do you know of any VM system for Windows where Aero works in Windows 7?
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Re: MS Windows 7
« Reply #93 on: January 12, 2009, 12:26:58 AM »
@DBAlex

You need Direct X 10 for that, no virtual machine supports Direct X 10 since Vista has been a failure in the marketplace no too many things use it. M$ could make it work with Direct X 9 but they don't want too.
 

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Re: MS Windows 7
« Reply #94 on: January 12, 2009, 12:34:02 AM »
@Pyromania

You don't need DX10 for Aero, just 9.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Aero#Requirements
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Re: MS Windows 7
« Reply #95 on: January 12, 2009, 12:38:43 AM »
@DBAlex

Whoops, shows how excited we were about Vista, gave up using it long ago.
 

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Re: MS Windows 7
« Reply #96 on: January 12, 2009, 12:47:08 AM »
I hope you all are using the Send Feedback link that is on every window. It's not going to change unless we bug them about it.
 

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Re: MS Windows 7
« Reply #97 on: January 12, 2009, 01:27:14 AM »
@Pyromania: Microsoft doesn't hate Vista, Windows 7 is built on it.. But just what is the aero interface anyway besides a theme with pretty glass. No WPF application requires it to run no windows app does either.

It basically is just another theme that can be turned on and off.. The fact is not having Aero doesn't mean software will run or not run at all. No one really calls any of that in their software. It's either there or not, in the case of not it works just like XP.

By the way I have done plenty of HD editing on Vista, I never had it play nasty with ANY editing, including Adobe software.

This summer Microsoft threw an event to give back to local community charities and I volunteered time to edit the event footage, in full HD on Vista on my home quad core machine. It was a great event that brought together many community charities, here in Michigan and the entire IT community to help others, including the Red Cross and others..

if you are curious about the event check out:

Ann Arbor Give Camp  

I also know Microsoft pretty well, I am a Community MVP for Expression Studio (and Expression Blend) for 2008-2009.. For those who note it's not something Microsoft pays me for. It's an award given for someone who helps out others in the user community. There are about 4000 given out a year in various disciplines.

I know lots of people at home and enterprise who work happily with Service Pack 1 of Vista and the comments you have made really reflect someone who played with Vista Beta and RTM, but haven't really used it since or even have had a Service Pack 1 experience. It's not really a fair assessment.

Just the same the improvements to Win 7 are nice and wether you'd admit it or not, Windows Server, Vista, and Windows 7 all come from the same family tree They really aren't any different at all at the heart of things.

I have been doing Windows programming including MFC, DirectX, etc. stuff since 1994.. I know the OS quite intricately and I was a CATS developer on Commodore-Amiga's before that.. So believe me when I say I know what makes that software tick (down to the millisecond)..

The reason Vista didn't do well was public opinion and those funny and cute but so wrong Apple commercials which planted this seed in people's minds. The mojaveexperiement.com really proved that it was more fallacy than fact. I don't think Microsoft will go without responding to those kinds of tactics ever again (IMHO).

Windows 7 is getting great response and this beta is open to the public, so they can get early feedback and make it what their customers really want and they are listening to them very carefully. To me the changes are mostly cosmetic, but it's important if you look at the beta to note just how much they have listened to customers over the past few years. This is a really nice customer driven product so far.

@adolescence as for setting the start bar tasks if you drill down into the win 7 start taskbar setup (right click on it and select properties) you can completely customize how that works and is setup, so you can make it like the old days or the new way of doing things..

By the way the old start bar from vista exists in the preview and you had to turn the new one back on in the pre-beta. So I suspect there might be a way to go back to the OLD start menu (just like you can select the windows classic theme) by setting some internal registry option if you really need to do it.

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Re: MS Windows 7
« Reply #98 on: January 12, 2009, 01:40:48 AM »
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The way to compensate for bad system design by increasing hardware power is not curing the prob, but dealing with its symptoms. And that is simply not sustainable nor a smart way.


But it IS the microsoft way..


I don't think that's quite fair.  Are you saying that software makers should not use available CPU resources?  Even in the Amiga world people who want the newest OS are expected to upgrade.  (AmigaOS 4.1 on an A500/512k chip only machine?  No!?  Lazy programmers!  :crazy:)


no what we are saying is the damned thing should do a hell of a lot more with the hardware resources available to it, but it doesn't.
 

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« Reply #99 on: January 12, 2009, 01:42:56 AM »
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Re: MS Windows 7
« Reply #100 on: January 12, 2009, 01:45:07 AM »
I'm still using W2K  :lol: It does what I need, and I don't play games much...
I'll only trash my 800Mhz Athlon when DDR4 memory based Athlong get cheaper and exist... 8-)
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Re: MS Windows 7
« Reply #101 on: January 12, 2009, 01:53:02 AM »
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You don't need to let the search finish (if you know what you're looking for).  I just type in what I want and hit enter.


Yes, I've just tried it, it works just like the MacOSX search... thank goodness... the XP search was HORRIBLE!!!


MS does have a new search tool for XP which is supposed to work better.  i haven't tried it though
 

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Re: MS Windows 7
« Reply #102 on: January 12, 2009, 02:25:27 AM »
@DonnyEMU

Sounds like you and M$ are very close. Are you sure they don't pay you to promote Vista on amiga.org?


 :-D


We will never buy or use Vista but we might use Windows 7, beta seems ok.

Do you ever see McBill picking up his monthly check to keep Amiga down when you visit M$?

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Re: MS Windows 7
« Reply #103 on: January 12, 2009, 02:56:04 AM »
the sad thing is that even if Win7 is good, it'll get spywared/virused/bloated to death.  methinks its just a pretty gui over a old product.  I'll try it out though.
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Re: MS Windows 7
« Reply #104 on: January 12, 2009, 02:58:56 AM »
And now, what everyone was wondering...  YES!  WinUAE works fine on Windows 7.  :-D

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