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Re: MiniMig with AGA
« Reply #59 on: February 23, 2010, 02:48:06 AM »
Those prices are insane! I realize the demand is low, but those prices don't exactly invite development either.
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Re: MiniMig with AGA
« Reply #60 on: February 23, 2010, 05:19:40 AM »
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Re: MiniMig with AGA
« Reply #61 on: February 23, 2010, 10:04:51 AM »
You could have several models

MiniMig AGA 030
MiniMig AGA 060
MiniMig AGA 060 Notebook :) with Amiga 600 keyboard layout :) wow... that would be something!!!! Dreamings too much, but if someone did that.. huhu... no more social life :) just kidding.. hehehe... but yea.. would be great ... I think :)
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Re: MiniMig with AGA
« Reply #62 on: February 23, 2010, 01:57:38 PM »
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I doubt any of the 68k line is being produced anymore ... So it'll have to be second hand no matter what ... :hammer:
You'd be suprised MC68030 68060
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I doubt they have made 68060 chips for many years. The FAB which used to produce them is almost certainly closed or upgraded to a different geometry by now. The 060 was perhaps a military chip which means the vendor has to agree to continue selling them for something like 25 years. At EOL (end of life) Freescale will have done what any normal military vendor does. Make a nice big stock pile of chips and then bump the price to something astronomical so anyone other than Military do not buy/use them.

Should be easy to tell, the date code is written in the corner of the chip. The latest I have are 2001.
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Re: MiniMig with AGA
« Reply #63 on: February 24, 2010, 02:42:22 AM »
I cant help but wonder, why does minimig use a 68000 cpu, rather than a coldfire with CK68KLib running in 68060 mode? Seems like a logical progression with AGA on the way.
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Re: MiniMig with AGA
« Reply #64 on: February 24, 2010, 03:12:36 AM »
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I cant help but wonder, why does minimig use a 68000 cpu, rather than a coldfire with CK68KLib running in 68060 mode? Seems like a logical progression with AGA on the way.


This isn't a mini-mig, though; this is an FPGA Arcade board.  Different beast, I guess?
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Re: MiniMig with AGA
« Reply #65 on: February 24, 2010, 04:16:11 AM »
@MikeJ - How do we get on the list for a fully assembled board? Are these going to be offered.

@yaqube - Great work as usual....

@everybody else - I think the best all around core would be an 030 for game compatibility. Very few people run un-accelerated A1200...

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Re: MiniMig with AGA
« Reply #66 on: February 24, 2010, 04:51:47 AM »
Sign me up for one as well as long as it was under $300AUD (around $280US), if possible.
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Re: MiniMig with AGA
« Reply #67 on: February 24, 2010, 05:35:57 AM »
ME TOO ME TOO!!!!

I'll have to part with some vital organs, but you only live once!!! ;)
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Re: MiniMig with AGA
« Reply #68 on: February 24, 2010, 10:43:53 AM »
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@everybody else - I think the best all around core would be an 030 for game compatibility. Very few people run un-accelerated A1200...


I agree an 030 would be enough to run most (if not all) AGA software because it would be that much faster than a 'real' AGA machine.
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Re: MiniMig with AGA
« Reply #69 on: February 24, 2010, 12:47:47 PM »
What would be the point in 030 over a much faster 020.  None I think ?
 
You get very little software, Cant think of any games, that are compiled for 030 .
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Re: MiniMig with AGA
« Reply #70 on: February 24, 2010, 12:52:37 PM »
030 is just a 020 with cache and on chip MMU (or no MMU in the case of EC variants).
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Re: MiniMig with AGA
« Reply #71 on: February 24, 2010, 01:19:10 PM »
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What would be the point in 030 over a much faster 020.  None I think ?

That's basically what an '030 is. It's an '020 with higher possible clock rates, and as mentioned above, the onboard caches, and MMU in the non-EC versions.
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Re: MiniMig with AGA
« Reply #72 on: February 24, 2010, 02:52:54 PM »
Um, y'all do know that the v3 and higher coldfire chips are faster and cheaper than all of those 68Ks, and can translate whichever core you want to use just by changing out the library you use in the boot ROM, right?
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Re: MiniMig with AGA
« Reply #73 on: February 24, 2010, 03:24:42 PM »
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I cant help but wonder, why does minimig use a 68000 cpu, rather than a coldfire with CK68KLib running in 68060 mode? Seems like a logical progression with AGA on the way.

Because the various 68000 variants are still mass produced, and unlike coldfire,  dirt cheap? Also, the aim with original MiniMig was "A500 clone".
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Re: MiniMig with AGA
« Reply #74 from previous page: February 24, 2010, 03:30:50 PM »
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Um, y'all do know that the v3 and higher coldfire chips are faster and cheaper than all of those 68Ks, and can translate whichever core you want to use just by changing out the library you use in the boot ROM, right?

It's been a long time since I last looked at this, but the v3 isn't fully compatible even with the emulation library for missing instructions (for instance, I believe it only has a single stack pointer whereas the 68K has separate stack pointers for system and user mode). v4e + the emulation traps is probably close enough for most things though.

That said,  emulating instructions via traps is expensive, especially on moderned pipelined architectures like ColdFire. I haven't seen any solid numbers on what the performance hit is, but from the impressions I get it's substantial enough to wipe out most if not all of the performance gains over a 68060 and maybe even less powerful members of the 68K family. If AROS had a working Amiga 68K port, it might make more sense. Then at least the OS and libraries could all be compiled for native Coldfire and only legacy apps would end up triggering the traps. The Atari folks are working on some hardware that would be suitable for a ColdFire based Amiga clone: http://acp.atari.org/ It looks like it has a fairly large FPGA so I imagine it should have plenty of room for an AGA implementation, TG68 core for a compatibility mode and whatever extra features one might like to add.

Of course, if I understand some screenshots made by Tobias from the thread linked earlier, it seems that TG68 can beat out an 030 just by virtue of being clocked so much higher. It would seem that with a more modern design (TG68 is designed to be cycle accurate to a 68000 for most byte and word width instructions from what I understand) smoking a 68060 in a reasonably attainable FPGA should be quite possible.