Amiga Basic

[melott]

Fester wrote:

Actually, I did mention ACE (Third post from the top). I've used to compile Amiga Basic.[/quote]

Yes you did ... sorry,.. I guess I was just reiterating
what you said.

Mel
 

[bloodline]

Is C really so hard, that you want to stick with BASIC?

[SamuraiCrow]

bloodline wrote:
Is C really so hard, that you want to stick with BASIC?

YES IT IS!  I've been programming in C for years and still want to go back to Basic.  So badly, in fact, that I'm writing a compiler for Basic (with the help of Sidewinder).

It should be compatible with AmosPro in the first iteration with ACE and others set to become available in the new parser generator format later on.

[Fester]

bloodline wrote:
Is C really so hard, that you want to stick with BASIC?

? - Never thought about it that way. I don't have a problem with C. I use what I feel like. I'm not programming anything for work or fun these days anyway.

[bloodline]

SamuraiCrow wrote:

bloodline wrote:
Is C really so hard, that you want to stick with BASIC?

YES IT IS!  I've been programming in C for years and still want to go back to Basic.  So badly, in fact, that I'm writing a compiler for Basic (with the help of Sidewinder).

But if you ignore pointers, references and datatypes (none of which you need for simple programs anyway), then there is nothing conceptually difficult about C... The syntax looks a little odd at first, but it is simple and consistant... If you have managed to get a handle on BASIC, then there is nothing difficult to understand in C!  

[amiga_3k]

The question: Is C really that difficult? I'd answer: Yes. It's great for doing al sorts of calcultions, sorting etc... what makes it really difficult is getting the results on screen when you want it in pixels / lines instead of characters.

That's why I use VisualBASIC to create the interface and draw-up any graphical output I want. The calculation functions I do with VisualC and create a .dll.

On the Amiga site, I never got into C programming. I stuck to Amiga BASIC and ACE (Amos was fun to play with but as it didn't allow for OS friendly programs to be created I ditched it).

[bloodline]

amiga_3k wrote:
The question: Is C really that difficult? I'd answer: Yes. It's great for doing al sorts of calcultions, sorting etc... what makes it really difficult is getting the results on screen when you want it in pixels / lines instead of characters.

That's why I use VisualBASIC to create the interface and draw-up any graphical output I want. The calculation functions I do with VisualC and create a .dll.

On the Amiga site, I never got into C programming. I stuck to Amiga BASIC and ACE (Amos was fun to play with but as it didn't allow for OS friendly programs to be created I ditched it).

If it is simple graphics functions you are missing, then just include SDL!!! Seriously I never got into C until I discovered SDL :-)

[SamuraiCrow]

bloodline wrote:
But if you ignore pointers, references and datatypes (none of which you need for simple programs anyway), then there is nothing conceptually difficult about C... The syntax looks a little odd at first, but it is simple and consistant... If you have managed to get a handle on BASIC, then there is nothing difficult to understand in C!  

If you ignore the problem, that doesn't make it go away.  It took me years to learn C even after I learned Basic and Pascal.  I should have just stuck with Pascal and learned Delphi instead of C.  C++ is also a pain.

[amiga_3k]

@bloodline:

Pardon my ignorance... but I've never heard of SDL :-S. Would it provide functions for, for instance, drawing a line between two coordinates? Could you point me to a good starting-point for information on this? I'm willing to learn :-).

[bloodline]

SamuraiCrow wrote:

bloodline wrote:
But if you ignore pointers, references and datatypes (none of which you need for simple programs anyway), then there is nothing conceptually difficult about C... The syntax looks a little odd at first, but it is simple and consistant... If you have managed to get a handle on BASIC, then there is nothing difficult to understand in C!  

If you ignore the problem, that doesn't make it go away.  It took me years to learn C even after I learned Basic and Pascal.  I should have just stuck with Pascal and learned Delphi instead of C.  C++ is also a pain.

Eh? I mean that you don't need things like pointers, references and datatypes if you want to write simple programs in C... Just like you don't need them in BASIC... Though BlitzBasic also had these features... Then once you are used to the C syntax then you an learn about the more advanced concepts...

You have to be kidding about C++ is is a huge improvment over C!!!

[motorollin]

bloodline wrote:
Is C really so hard, that you want to stick with BASIC?

Yes. C is vile. Something as simple as converting a variable from one type to another is so complicated in C that it makes me want to smash my computer up. I once spent a whole day trying to find out how to use a variable which, for some perverse reason, had to be a "const char *" (whatever that is) as an argument to a function which wanted a string variable. There was seemingly no simple way of doing it. Trying to understad the difference between the different variable types seemed to require me to read pages and pages of documentation, and not one single method I found to convert the variable worked.

So yes, C is ghastly. Basic any day please.

--
moto

[bloodline]

amiga_3k wrote:
@bloodline:

Pardon my ignorance... but I've never heard of SDL :-S. Would it provide functions for, for instance, drawing a line between two coordinates? Could you point me to a good starting-point for information on this? I'm willing to learn :-).

Yes exacty, it is a C library that provides these functions! :-)

Head over to SDLorg website, if you need any help let me know!

[bloodline]

motorollin wrote:

bloodline wrote:
Is C really so hard, that you want to stick with BASIC?

Yes. C is vile. Something as simple as converting a variable from one type to another is so complicated in C that it makes me want to smash my computer up. I once spent a whole day trying to find out how to use a variable which, for some perverse reason, had to be a "const char *" (whatever that is) as an argument to a function which wanted a string variable. There was seemingly no simple way of doing it. Trying to understad the difference between the different variable types seemed to require me to read pages and pages of documentation, and not one single method I found to convert the variable worked.

So yes, C is ghastly. Basic any day please.

--
moto

Wash your mouth out young man! :-)

You need to cast then, for example

float real_number = 92.4;
int number = (int) real_number;

The "(int)", converts the floating point number into an integer... Easy :-)

But if you are doing something string heavy.. Then use C++, the string object is wonderful :-)

[motorollin]

Tried casting, but can't remember whether it worked. As for the string object, it wouldn't let me turn anything in to a string or a string in to anything else. I gave up after several days of frustration and did the same thing in basic in about 10 minutes.

--
moto

[bloodline]

char* just means that the function wants a pointer to the string rather than passing the whole string (which would be slow)... You proabably should have  referenced the string :-)

[persia]

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