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Re: Redrumloa and AmiBay - Update
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2009, 05:31:58 PM »
Oh no  :-(
Look at this EBAY

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.... I've lost interest in all things Amiga.


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Re: Redrumloa and AmiBay - Update
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2009, 05:38:02 PM »
The whole damned thing got childish and rhetorical.  I would happily pay Red's prices if I had the cash to spare.  He does the Amiga community a great service by putting in his own resources to obtain items which might otherwise wind up in a landfill, and ensuring that the purchaser gains a quality Amiga item with no bullshyt.

There's nothing immoral or unethical about wanting to make a profit on one's hobby and passion; that's how many great success stories are born.

On the same token, there is nothing wrong with someone who does not wish to make a profit, immense or otherwise, on his or her Amiga items.  I would rather sell to someone low who will cherish and use an item than high to someone who will put it in a glass case.  I've given away Commodore 64 and Amiga equipment to people who have sworn to use them, and everyone has lived up to that.

To that end, my resources have already been compensated by my use of whatever it is I'm selling.  That is my profit.

I believe in Red and his way of conducting business of which I am aware.  At the same time, I feel he was certainly out of line with his comment.  Chalk it up to brief moment of poor judgment, unappreciated humor, or whatever you may.  Given that he provides a valuable service to the Amiga community, he deserves our respect and gratitude.
 

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Re: Redrumloa and AmiBay - Update
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2009, 06:09:54 PM »
Well, really, it's hard to understand why any honest individuals WOULD choose to work with the Amiga "community" anymore.  

The price bickering is completely braindead.  What it all comes down to is these items are increasingly old, rare, and fragile.  They are worth exactly what someone wants to pay for them.  The only reason prices go up is because people are willing to pay them.  Griping and wishing and yelling and flaming won't change that.  

Red's an honest merchant who always strives to describe items and fees accurately and ship purchases safely.  How many others could you say that about?
 

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Re: Redrumloa and AmiBay - Update
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2009, 06:11:22 PM »
Given a little time hopefully red will get over what was said in that thread.  It would certainly be a shame to lose his services.  I for one have found it fascinating seeing all the rare bits of kit he has unearthed from goodness knows where!
I agree that his comment was illadvised.  Something like "Wow that's a really good price for that item, what a bargain" would have come across a lot more positively whilst pretty much saying the same thing.  Regardless no one deserves to be crucified for one loose comment.
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Re: Redrumloa and AmiBay - Update
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2009, 06:18:24 PM »
Just in case it's not clear. There were very few people in that thread questioning the quality of Red's service or the prices he chooses to charge. More than anything, that point needs to be clear.

And, tbh, I don't think he was "crucified". It just might appear that way because more people disagreed with what he done than agreed - so with his own responses he was kind of swiming against the tide.

Let's not make him into a martyr. I for one have appologized for letting the discussion escalate into something it shouldn't have and I'm sure many others feel regret. But the sense of responsibility shouldn't be one sided.  
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Re: Redrumloa and AmiBay - Update
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2009, 06:22:21 PM »
I thought I would throw a few pennies on here...

I have dealt with Red several times and he is a stand up and honest seller.  Yes he does need to make a small profit, otherwise why bother?  He offers a service and everyone needs to accept that the prices he might sell things will be higher that what you might expect from a garage sale, thrift store or someone on Amibay, etc.  As far as his comment on it was way too cheap.  So what?  He was right, it was.  Nothing wrong with that comment.  Now if it was shown that he indeed has tried to no avail to scarf up cheap Amiga gear to price gouge and resell, then that would not be good.  But I don't believe he has been doing that as his prices are very reasonable.  I am sure most people would like to make a small profit in reselling anything.  I hope he stays on here.
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Re: Redrumloa and AmiBay - Update
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2009, 06:50:15 PM »
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Just in case it's not clear. There were very few people in that thread questioning the quality of Red's service or the prices he chooses to charge. More than anything, that point needs to be clear.

And, tbh, I don't think he was "crucified". It just might appear that way because more people disagreed with what he done than agreed - so with his own responses he was kind of swiming against the tide.

Let's not make him into a martyr. I for one have appologized for letting the discussion escalate into something it shouldn't have and I'm sure many others feel regret. But the sense of responsibility shouldn't be one sided.  


I think you need to read that thread again.  There were quite a few comments aimed directly at him, painting him to be some sort of capitalist monster, bleeding the community dry.  It was way out of line and far from the truth.
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Re: Redrumloa and AmiBay - Update
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2009, 06:56:16 PM »
darrin: Well, to be fare, when you enter a thread shouting "double the price!" and then proceed to mock the idea of fare "community prices", labelling them as "communistic", that's the image you tend to paint for yourself.
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Re: Redrumloa and AmiBay - Update
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2009, 06:56:17 PM »
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And, tbh, I don't think he was "crucified". It just might appear that way because more people disagreed with what he done than agreed - so with his own responses he was kind of swiming against the tide.

 


In retrospect using the word "crucified" was a tad strong.  You did kind of jump on him though.  Talking about red and "screwing the last penny out of the community" in the same post was bound to make him angry.  He wants to make a profit on his sales but screwing the last penny out?  I don't think so.
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Re: Redrumloa and AmiBay - Update
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2009, 06:58:45 PM »
Ruud: yep, and I have already apologized for making _my_ initial point in a less than diplomatic way. I should have made my point in a less inflammatory way, I guess. Although I don't apologize for the actual point itself.

I doubt you will see an apology from Red, however.
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Re: Redrumloa and AmiBay - Update
« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2009, 07:03:59 PM »
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I dare to suggest that we might not see red around here much any more.

I will surely miss the occational "project" treads by red.
Interesting to read about the C128 tower project from a person with knowhow and skills to do so...
Inspiring read i must say.
I really hope he do not leave.
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Re: Redrumloa and AmiBay - Update
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2009, 07:04:58 PM »
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darrin: Well, to be fare, when you enter a thread shouting "double the price!" and then proceed to mock the idea of fare "community prices", labelling them as "communistic", that's the image you tend to paint for yourself.


I'm not saying the inital post was right, and it was not the sort of thing to do when 2 people have reached an agreement, but mocking the way he makes a living by suggesting he's a crook is far worse.
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Re: Redrumloa and AmiBay - Update
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2009, 07:06:25 PM »
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I will surely miss the occational "project" treads by red.
Interesting to read about the C128 tower project from a person with knowhow and skills to do so...
Inspiring read i must say.
I really hope he do not leave.


His CD32/Indivision is up for sale too.
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Re: Redrumloa and AmiBay - Update
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2009, 07:10:46 PM »
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His CD32/Indivision is up for sale too.

I saw the link.
And it is sad, really sad.
Hope he changes his mind soon.

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Re: Redrumloa and AmiBay - Update
« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2009, 07:11:08 PM »
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There were quite a few comments aimed directly at him, painting him to be some sort of capitalist monster, bleeding the community dry.  It was way out of line and far from the truth.


Actually red fired off the word "communist" first in that thread.  And as a fellow American I can tell you that throwing that out at someone else is going to generally be taken as taking the gloves off when you are from the USA.  That was a harsh comparison to make on those who just felt his comment of "waaay too cheap" was inappropriate given his reseller and moderator status.  If you are going to go into hardball mode like that so quickly and easily, wearing "capitalist" as a badge of honor, on a board that has members from all over the world, honestly what do you think is going to happen next?

As I said before I think people should have asked him for clarification on his initial comment first before the multi-paragraph upset responses.  But then when he came back as he did as mentioned above it became a given that it would be further discussed.

And tons of people keep vouching for him, so why leave?  Its not like he isn't greatly appreciated by a bunch of folks.
 

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Re: Redrumloa and AmiBay - Update
« Reply #29 from previous page: January 04, 2009, 07:21:42 PM »
Who ever did waht and got retaliated by some...
can't we all just "kiss and make up" and be friends and grow our mutual interest and hobby...
And just have fun.
use our energy on what minimig project is next?

What does it really matter now...?
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