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[save2600]

IMO - you should think less of anyone that ignores an offer and vice versa. If it was a totally inappropriate offer, you can at least call the guy any one of the colourful metaphors quickly at your disposal OR counteroffer. Ignoring someone is immature to say the least.

Ignoring people via e-mail is a trend that more and more people mistakingly use to their supposed "advantage". It's rude and your parents should have taught you better! lol  So there you have it. A higher standard type of thing. Again. Don't get used to it. It's not acceptable. At least, it should not be acceptable.

In the case of blocking my bids... is pretty fitting as the pieces fall together here. If Red thinks he is "punishing" me by blocking my bids, well - maybe he will be able to sleep that much better at night. lol

Honestly, the only people I have had to block was when I would sell PeeCee or Nintendo stuff. Soooooo many more scammers aligned with those platforms. Yes, I am profiling. It is not a crime. Insurance companies and creditors do it all the time  ;-)

[save2600]

Arkanoid wrote:

'The old "more posts" = "more important" is a common response from people on forums, particularly if they think they're losing an argument.'

...which is precisely why *some* of us took as long as we did to bother to set up yet another user name and another password for something that should have NEVER strayed from comp.sys.amiga.xxxx in the first place. We knew what this web based stuff was all about, who it caters to and many continually prove our point. As was done with MANY Hotmail and AOL users time and time again from the 90's. As Red well knows.

Lot's of immaturity going on in these new web based forums. Drunk with "power", censorship and the whole bit. Ironic when you think about it. Many of these web based fanboys voted for "change"...  LOL!!!

[ffastback]

I just made him an offer for an item last week that he chose to ignore. Do I think any less of him for it? Of course not. He and I obviously had a different idea of the items value.

Someone purposely ignoring you if you provided them with considerate communication, and especially if they know you, is not something to proudly say you are of course not offended by.  At the least one should think that rude.

Anything I have ever bought from him was exactly as stated in his listing and it arrived to me fast. I value very highly being able to know what I get from him is what I expected.

 

No one seems to have disagreed with that, at least not that I saw.

As far as blocking bidders, I also do it all the time. If I even suspect anything, they are blocked. I have blocked many members of the Org because of attitudes I sense because of their posts. It's not worth taking a chance of a hassle developing. A seller has the right to block anybody that they wish for any reason.

True, but its interesting that a public display was made of it.  Its only natural that the party would then respond in the thread after being banned/blocked.

[dannyp1]

If I held a grudge everytime I made an offer on an item and the listing ran out a day later without the seller getting back to me I'd be a pretty sorry person (Which 2 of my ex-wives would agree with).  There are a million reasons why someone might not accept or reject it.

1.  They didn't see it
2.  They were still thinking about it when the item ended
3.  They had several offers to weigh
4.  They didn't want to limit their options
5.  They thought that having an open offer might make someone else offer more or use the buy-it-now out of fear the open offer might be accepted.
6.  etc., etc., etc......

As I said, it was no big deal to me.  I'm not as good of a mind reader as a lot of you seem to be and I wouldn't even attempt to pass judgement on someone over something so trivial.

[arkanoid]

dannyp1: I'm not really sure of the point you're trying to make here. No one is saying that Redromola is a bad trader. I don't think a single person has implied that.

What people are objecting to is him promoting price hiking/gouging in a sale between two, non-commercial enthusiasts - because the price didn't match what he would hope to charge based on eBay "market forces" to maximize profits.

I think you need to reread the entire thread, to get a clearer sense of what's being said. Unless you can defend him based on what is actually being said, then Redromola doesn't require your (fanboy?) "support". As I said, no one is saying he's a bad trader, far from it.

If anything, he's just a bit low on good old fashioned decency and regard for "community spirit" - unless of course it involves some form of profit.

If you read his comments, you'll see that he has absolutely no regard for the Amiga's sense of non-commercial community spirit and even mocks this idea as "communistic". He's touched a nerve, because (since all the big money men and real commercial interest has disappeared) the little future that the Amiga has left relies on maintaining some sense of goodwill and community spirit. Things will not continue ticking over for the Amihga with purely MONEY in mind.

[dannyp1]

I'm not trying to defend anyone because no one needs defended.  I guess I'm the only one here who doesn't see a problem with someone stating their opinion that someone else sold something too cheap.

I had a few other things to say about saying people lacked decency because they stated an obvious opinion but I see it didn't take you long to edit your previous comments.  I'm fairly sure they were read by people other than me before you had a chance to read what you had written and cram the old tranny in reverse.

If stating a couple of my opinions in a thread makes me a "Fanboy" I don't need to tell you what people will be calling you after reading your comments.  I'm not quite sure how I became your target as I didn't say anything bad about anybody.  And you think your comments are helping to keep the community alive?

[ffastback]

dannyp1 wrote:
If I held a grudge everytime I made an offer on an item and the listing ran out a day later without the seller getting back to me I'd be a pretty sorry person (Which 2 of my ex-wives would agree with).  There are a million reasons why someone might not accept or reject it.

Ah, now you seem to be referring to any old random ebay auction  you were interested in and within their Best Offer system.  Earlier you seemed to be saying that you sent a traditional offer to your friend redrumola on something you knew he was interested in selling.  Those are two very different scenarios.  Thanks for clarifying.  Of course though, now the question is, what point were you trying to make?  What does that have to do with anything?

[arkanoid]

dannyp1 wrote:
I guess I'm the only one here who doesn't see a problem with someone stating their opinion that someone else sold something too cheap.

Yes, I think it's safe to say that you're probably among an extreme minority of people who sees nothing wrong in a trader posting in a thread where an item has been offered and claimed for purchase, and telling the seller that he is telling it too cheaply. You're right.

dannyp1 wrote:
I had a few other things to say about saying people lacked decency because they stated an obvious opinion but I see it didn't take you long to edit your previous comments. I'm fairly sure they were read by people other than me before you had a chance to read what you had written and cram the old tranny in reverse.

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. If you mean that you were reading my post as I was editing it and noticed something was changed moments later, well that happens. It's called rewording what you want to say in order to get your point across clearly.

dannyp1 wrote:
If stating a couple of my opinions in a thread makes me a "Fanboy" I don't need to tell you what people will be calling you after reading your comments. I'm not quite sure how I became your target as I didn't say anything bad about anybody. And you think your comments are helping to keep the community alive?

I didn't call you a fanboy, I suggested that you MIGHT be, and I wasn't the first to make that call. Internet forums are full of fanboys, who jump into discussions defending certain people (particularly mods, or other people they "like") without really reading and fully understanding the points being made. So to make that call is not wrong.

You're not a "target", I just responded to your post in disagreement.

Apart from hinting that you MIGHT be a fanboy, in what way are my comments negatively impacting on the Amiga's community spirit, exactly? Be specific and quote an example. I'm not sure if my comments are "helping to keep the Amiga community alive", but I think you need to reread them and not jump to conclusions.

[arnljot]

-- edit --

OMG, this has goone all foobar.

save2600: Thanks for your edit.

[dannyp1]

The point I was trying to make was that ReDrum and I often disagree on the value of Amiga items and we don't end up at each others throats because we disagree.  Did I really have to explain that?  I just reread my post and it still seems obvious to me what I was saying.

I will rephrase what I said earlier:  If threads like this are helping to unite and strengthen the Amiga community, I'd hate to see one that was trying to tear it apart.

[ffastback]

by dannyp1 on 2008/12/31 20:51:25

I guess I'm the only one here who doesn't see a problem with someone stating their opinion that someone else sold something too cheap.

If the seller is happy then there is no such thing as selling "too cheap".  I think the comment was taken as it was because the account that posted the comment is a well known vendor on the board.  Meanwhile from his perspective he probably was posting as the individual.  But given he is a vendor all of a sudden a hopefully innocent sharing of one's opinion can easily look like you are trying to influence the market.  From there it went downhill quickly unfortunately is my take away.

[ffastback]

dannyp1 wrote:
The point I was trying to make was that ReDrum and I often disagree on the value of Amiga items and we don't end up at each others throats because we disagree.  Did I really have to explain that?

Apparently you did.  Are you trying to say that I lack ready comprehension skills?  

Back to your point, now that you have clarified it.  red did interject in a deal both parties were already happy with with an off the cuff remark, and he is a dealer with a vested interest in keeping the market at high prices.  You can hire your brother-in-law to fix your house, but if you are mayor of your town you better be careful giving him the job to fix city hall as well, even if he is the best and cheapest for the job.  Perception plays a role like that in life.  Thats just how it is.  Perhaps you should give some leeway to the other side of the disagreement as well.  It did not help things that red escalated with implying a curse word, and tossing out a term like that person they were disagreeing with some whippersnapper either.

I will rephrase what I said earlier: If threads like this are helping to unite and strengthen the Amiga community, I'd hate to see one that was trying to tear it apart.

I'm not sure this exactly tears the community apart.  We are adults and some people shared their peace on the subject.  Thats all.  I will tell you this though.  My personal opinion is that high prices keep the more casual enthusiast out of the hobby more.  And more numbers of people would probably be better for the community in the end.  Instead you have a smaller community of hoarders. Even the USA has proven quite clearly recently that its not a pure capitalist state.

[ffastback]

One guy is actually trying to sell a piece of gear here. Let him do that in peace and stop making unrelated noise in his thread. That goes for everyone, mods other and me.

My understanding is terms were already agreed to.  I don't believe anything is left for sale, not since very early in the thread.

5) I don't really know anyone involved in this thread. And I don't want to take any side but this: You're all in the wrong.

For sharing opinions everyone is in the wrong, except you sharing your opinion?   :lol:

He needs some of the protection and benefits that eBay provide that AmiBay cannot

 What does this have to do with his commenting on a sale he was not involved in on amiga.org?  Nothing as far as I can tell.

[save2600]

LOL!

What a thread, what a thread!  :-o

[McVenco]

:popcorn:

[klx300r]

and women watch soap operas :lol:  ahh come on Red..you messed up just admit it and move on ;-)