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Offline umisef

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Re: anyone remember the Phase 5 Cyberstorm G3/G4 Debacle
« Reply #14 from previous page: December 12, 2008, 01:14:46 AM »
> I just got told Phase 5 was actually two companies:
> Only the production branch was a GmbH.

That's probably not the reason for this, though.

The letter mentions the "vorsaetzlich begangene unerlaubte Handlung" (i.e. a prohibited action undertaken intentionally). Probably related to taking pre-orders with the promise of keeping the money in an escrow account ("Sperrkonto" in German) while in reality the money was injected into the company, and thus lost.

The limited liability protection of a "GmbH" (similar in many ways to the US's "LLC") is conditional on following a number of rules; Once you break the rules, you may become personally liable. Taking money for non-existent products under false pretenses is likely to be enough to get the protections lifted.... And of course the mentioned clause of the relevant law requires of the creditor (here: the people who ordered G3/G4 cards) to provide reasons as to why they have a claim --- so sending this letter does not mean "you have a claim", but "you are hereby invited to argue that you have a claim".

Another possibility is that Carda could be liable not as one of the share holders of Phase5, but as an executive; Given that he was in charge when the company did something that was probably illegal, there is a chance that he, personally, might be seen to have done this. And as the courts are dealing with his debts now, anyway, the resulting liabilities would have to be taken into account.

 

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Re: anyone remember the Phase 5 Cyberstorm G3/G4 Debacle
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2008, 07:24:23 AM »
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The letter is from Carda's insolvency administrator, who asks you to provide proof (invoices etc.) if you think Carda owes you money. You should provide such proof until December, 29 - otherwise the debtor's lawyers have a good chance to deny your claims.


This is kinda what I expected it to be, I had to rescue the letter from the bin after I realised what it could be. Unfortunately I no longer have any proof left over. I had given up on this a long time ago...  :-?

I remember there was a person collecting names of people who had pre-ordered, I had submited my details to them but never heard any thing else... was some time ago.
 

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Re: anyone remember the Phase 5 Cyberstorm G3/G4 Debacle
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2008, 07:31:23 AM »
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puppy wrote:
Oops!

I moved home. So, where can i head for (lawyer/court)?

Thanks in advance !


this is printed at the top of the letter:

Jost . Roth & Collegen. Pfingstweidstr. 3, 60316 Frankfurt/main

also

Telefon 069 / 2097390
Fax     069 / 20973929

www.jruc.de
kontakt@jruc.de

hope this helps...
 

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Re: anyone remember the Phase 5 Cyberstorm G3/G4 Debacle
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2008, 05:43:43 PM »
"Taking money for non-existent products under false pretenses is likely to be enough to get the protections lifted."

AInc ? Sorry, off topic again... :lol:
I really hope you guys make it.
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Re: anyone remember the Phase 5 Cyberstorm G3/G4 Debacle
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2008, 06:34:16 PM »
if you paid by card / paypal there should be records.

request bank statement for the year etc
 

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Re: anyone remember the Phase 5 Cyberstorm G3/G4 Debacle
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2008, 09:07:51 PM »
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Maybe someone could pick up the schematics for a bargain? Bounty anyone?


Yea, great. Schematics for something now old, obsolete, and likely some parts are no longer available anyway. It'd be better IMHO to start a new design from scratch than try to revive this antique today.
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Re: anyone remember the Phase 5 Cyberstorm G3/G4 Debacle
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2008, 11:40:32 PM »
"Yea, great. Schematics for something now old, obsolete, and likely some parts are no longer available anyway. It'd be better IMHO to start a new design from scratch than try to revive this antique today."

I don't know, all I see is that the Deneb sold well and that even more ancient ppc cards sell for insane amounts of money on eBay. I'm sure the design could be used for something, IF it was really close to completion.

Maybe the explanation is that releasing it would have harmed Pegasus sales, after all, that's what they did after...
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