Pro video production on Amiga?

[sadddam]

"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hEbs6FX0cM"

hi!

i cant download the video nor with getvideo (Sorry can't get expected data.) nor with tubexx (it finds the video by url but unable to download and play it). i even search for your username also for the video name but no hit.
please, i really wanna see this video!

[leirbag28]

it should be working....it works for me....just play it right on YouTube

anyways i prefer you Don't download it, as the dancers didnt want this up on YouTube.

[orb85750]

KimmoK wrote:
Interesting read about Amiga & video etc:
http://tech-head.com/amiga2.htm ...

Thanks, although we all need to take time out to
laugh at this quote from tech-head:

"Amiga Inc is on the right track and is moving the Amiga forward once again to the forefront of computing."

[B00tDisk]

leirbag28 wrote:
it should be working....it works for me....just play it right on YouTube

anyways i prefer you Don't download it, as the dancers didnt want this up on YouTube.

But screw them, you're going to show off anyway, right?

Nice.

[stefcep2]

leirbag28 wrote:
@orb85750

Don't listen to some of these People.

The Amiga can do 480i  1440 x 480 (its called Super HiRes mode)
Just put it in Overscan

But this mode is best suited for Slide SHows and Overlaying Graphics, lower Thirds and animated logos over Video with a Genlock.

Listen Carefully: Get SCALA MM300, 400, or InfoChannel 500 and a SuperGen SX genlock and a CHROMAKEY PLUS if you can get it.

All Cheap.  You will be amazed!  and YES you can do DIGITAL Video (Not internally) but externally with Amiga Hardware and a 3CCD Digital8 or MiniDV Camera that has S-Video input.

this allows you to professionally record Amiga's output as well as the Video that is being Genlocked onto professionally in Digital Format. You can then Edit it further if you like with iMovie. (I try to d everything on the fly in Amiga)

@bloodline
quote:
Digital Video work requires Hispeed Harddrives, Powerful CPUs and 32bit GFX all of which never made it to the Amiga.
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Wrong.... Digital Video only requires a Digital Recording Device... both for genlocking and Recording a Master of all Amiga's output.......it doesnt have to be an INTERNAL Harddrive in the Amiga...it cna instead be external like a DV Camera or Deck with S-Video inputs.


@orb85750

Look at this Video I did with an Amiga 1200 with Genlock, ChromaKey, SCALA MM300, and Converted www.digitaljuice.com bakgrounds. The Dancers I hired.  No Special Video Card....just an A1200 with a Blizzard 1240 and 128mb RAM (will work the same with 16mb)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hEbs6FX0cM

Very Nice. Goes to show that often its lack of talent and creativity thats the limiting factor, not necessarily the hardware or software you use.  So what exactly was done on the A1200?  I'm assuming the background moving images were, but what software did you use to animate the bacgrounds?

[Hans_]

Sig999 wrote:

Varthall wrote:
Shouldn't an AmigaOne or a Sam be able to manage modern video editing?

Varthall

A more appropriate question would be 'Is anyone going to program a modern video editing system for the AmigaOne or Sam'

Yes, I am. Unfortunately I have other things to do first, so it's going to take a while.

Hans

[leirbag28]

@stefcep2

Quote:
Very Nice. Goes to show that often its lack of talent and creativity thats the limiting factor, not necessarily the hardware or software you use. So what exactly was done on the A1200? I'm assuming the background moving images were, but what software did you use to animate the bacgrounds?
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The Animated backgrounds are Running in SCALA MM300 in Anim8L format and HAM8.  They were NOT created on the Amiga.... But I do hae other backgrounds they were in some of my videos. The ones in that video I purchased from www.digitaljuice.com  <-----highly recommended.  They Started in the industry by Creating Toaster Flyer Motion backgrounds. They still support the Toaster Flyer is some ways.


THe video was done with Dancers dancing infront of a Bluescreen........then the Amiga's ChromaKey Plus, and Supergen SX  can add aany Amiga Graphic behind the dancers and whereever there is the Color Blue on the screen. This is done instantly and live and recorded to DVD on the Fly or DV and then transfered to DVD via FireWire (My Standalone DVD recorder has FireWire input.

I worked at a Club as a VJ (Video Jockey) using my CD32/SX32 Pro at the time, throwing up and mixing visuals live on the projector screens for 4 hours straight non stop!  gotta have a darn lot of content. But luckily I have the SUPER rare MindEYE for the Amiga.  Generates Visuals on the fly (kinda like WinAMP or iTunes Visualizer but more 8-bit looking). Elan Performer and SCALA is what I mostly used to throw Visuals up Quickly.

Elan Performer was Amiga's Motion Dive Tokyo in the 80's.

[orb85750]

Great stuff, very impressive.  Needless to say, Amiga isn't so useless for video after all!

[Rebel-CD32]

Jose wrote:
@Rebel-CD32

That's not correct. The Draco used the Draco Motion card, check on amiga-hardware for Draco and DracoVision. The Draco motion was an updated version of the VLabMotion for the Draco bus with added capabilities and faster throughput.

I was waiting for someone to be anal about this. It's practically the same card, just changed a slight bit. I just didn't feel like elaborating at the time.

[Sig999]

stefcep2 wrote:

leirbag28 wrote:
@orb85750

Don't listen to some of these People.

The Amiga can do 480i  1440 x 480 (its called Super HiRes mode)
Just put it in Overscan

But this mode is best suited for Slide SHows and Overlaying Graphics, lower Thirds and animated logos over Video with a Genlock.

Listen Carefully: Get SCALA MM300, 400, or InfoChannel 500 and a SuperGen SX genlock and a CHROMAKEY PLUS if you can get it.

All Cheap.  You will be amazed!  and YES you can do DIGITAL Video (Not internally) but externally with Amiga Hardware and a 3CCD Digital8 or MiniDV Camera that has S-Video input.

this allows you to professionally record Amiga's output as well as the Video that is being Genlocked onto professionally in Digital Format. You can then Edit it further if you like with iMovie. (I try to d everything on the fly in Amiga)

@bloodline
quote:
Digital Video work requires Hispeed Harddrives, Powerful CPUs and 32bit GFX all of which never made it to the Amiga.
------------------------------------------------------------

Wrong.... Digital Video only requires a Digital Recording Device... both for genlocking and Recording a Master of all Amiga's output.......it doesnt have to be an INTERNAL Harddrive in the Amiga...it cna instead be external like a DV Camera or Deck with S-Video inputs.


@orb85750

Look at this Video I did with an Amiga 1200 with Genlock, ChromaKey, SCALA MM300, and Converted www.digitaljuice.com bakgrounds. The Dancers I hired.  No Special Video Card....just an A1200 with a Blizzard 1240 and 128mb RAM (will work the same with 16mb)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hEbs6FX0cM

Very Nice. Goes to show that often its lack of talent and creativity thats the limiting factor, not necessarily the hardware or software you use.  So what exactly was done on the A1200?  I'm assuming the background moving images were, but what software did you use to animate the bacgrounds?

Alternatively - because all the stuff from digital juice has alpha channels imbedded in their graphics (I use them too) - you can just do the whole thing in your editing software (even avid dv can do this) - its like including the amiga in the loop serves only to slow down the workflow and add a level of unneeded complexity.

But hey - if thats what floats your boat, all well and good... I'd hardly call it 'professional'.

[orb85750]

Assuming I can get my hands on a decent non-linear digitizer card for a classic OCS machine, what is the most flexible editing software available?  Are there a few strong options?

I presume that I may also need a new accelerator card for a stock A2500?  (I also own a stock A1200 -- not in towerized form.)  Thanks, -Dave

[persia]

There are excellent open source tools out there that could be ported to AmigaDos 4.1 or MOS

Kino

Cinelerra

DVD Styler

It's almost as good as Mac and PC stuff and it's free and open source...

[Hans_]

persia wrote:
There are excellent open source tools out there that could be ported to AmigaDos 4.1 or MOS

Kino

Cinelerra

DVD Styler

It's almost as good as Mac and PC stuff and it's free and open source...

Exactly how good are they? A few years ago I went ahead and tried every open-source video editor that I could find. Kino and Cinelera couldn't even open my video files that I had (they were DV format only). Jahshaka crashed every other minute and had the most disorganized GUI that I have ever seen. They were all so unusable that I ended up using Windows Movie Maker and an old copy of Cyberlink Power DVD for the project I had at the time. After that I bought Premiere Elements.

Things may have changed, but I didn't see a single editor that I thought was worth using as a basis for anything.

Hans

[persia]

Here is a link about the state of Linux video processing.

[Sig999]

persia wrote:
Here is a link about the state of Linux video processing.

Nice article - pretty objective.

I remember trying out a demo version of Main Actor on linux years ago - and it was quite polished.. shame they stopped working on it.

I remember reading somewhere that originally it was being developed on the Amiga before Linux - but I've never seen even a demo so I cant substantiate it.

[AmigaPixel]

The Toaster 4000 Flyer combo isn't as outdated as you might think. At least for SD video. You would be hard pressed to find a real time switcher and composite system on the Mac or PC under $5000. I use Pinnacle System's Studio 9 Plus on my Windows XP system, which is certainly good but every thing has to be rendered. Most videos don't need a lot fancy transitions and layers anyway.

However you could add updated effects or create your own to spice things up using Lightwave 3D or Image FX etc. If you already have a big box Amiga you could now get A Toaster and Flyer boards for probably less than $250 now. In  some cases less than $200. I paid only $60 for Video Toaster 4000.

Finally with digital DVD recorders and other digital equipment I don't think you really need to rely on Time base correctors to sync your video sources anymore. :-D