Chinese 68060 Rev 6

[Hammer]

Metalguy66 wrote:
You don't think "the Chinese" have the technology?

Would it surprise you to know that 5 out of 6 major chip foundaries capable of the highest scale of integration nowadayse are located in China, Korea, or Taiwan? In the last 5-10 years, they have shut-down/moved/sold-out of the US,Japan, and other countries.. Where do you think chips are comming from now, if not China?

My brother is an applications engineer for Legerity (Communications processor division of AMD) and spends MOST of his time in China nowadayze.. Im pretty sure "the Chinese" have the technology to reproduce the 68060, and much more modern processors as well.

http://www.electronicsweekly.com/Articles/2000/08/18/17356/amd-spin-off-legerity-names-former-compaq-exec-as-cfo.htm

"Last month, AMD completed the sale of 90 percent of its Communication Products Division for about $375 million in cash to the investment firm Francisco Partners. The newly acquired assets then became Legerity, an independent company. AMD still owns 10 percent of Legerity's shares."

[alexh]

The FE is the package type.

RC = Ceramic (MC68xx060RC = 206 pin PGA)
FE = Plastic (MC68xx060FE = 208 pin CQFP)



http://www.motorola.com.cn/semiconductors/mcudsp/forms/selector_guide/sg186_Std_Embedded_Controller_rev9.pdf

I am pretty sure they never made any full MC68060 in FE only the LC and EC.

Later model Apollo 1260's used the FE variants and a PCB adapter to convert them to PGA pinout.

I am also pretty sure they never made anything faster than an MC68LC060FE75

[taunusand]

Darrin wrote:

taunusand wrote:

You need to install a voltage regulator, install a new eprom, replace the crystal oscillator and replace the cpu.

PG here at Amiga.org knows how to do it :-)

Ah, thanks.  In other words, I can't do it without breaking it.  :-D

That is why I bougt a real 060 card and upgraded my A4000 instead of my A1200 :-D

[Jose]

I bought 2 but still have to get an accelerator to test it...
And it still hasn't arrived yet...

[AJCopland]

Ah thanks for clarifying that Alex. That would suggest though that its a full 68060 in plastic QFP format running at 133Mhz but as you say there really doesn't seem to be any information about any such 68060 anywhere/ever.

Its not like you could just order one and plop it onto an existing board either since all of the amiga accelerators used the through-hole. Unless someone wants to risk destroying their late model Apollo 1260 and it's PGA adapter.

Andy

[Damion]

Well, mine showed up today... but unfortunately, the mailman was too lazy to walk to the door (which they are required to do btw), and left a slip in the mailbox instead... so it'll be Monday eve before I can check it out. :evil:

 

[alexh]

I'd be curious to see a picture of a fake FE133

[Darrin]

-D- wrote:
Well, mine showed up today... but unfortunately, the mailman was too lazy to walk to the door (which they are required to do btw), and left a slip in the mailbox instead... so it'll be Monday eve before I can check it out. :evil:

 

Ah, you have one of those lazy sods too?

I waited for a package once and then wandered down the driveway to collect the mail and found a "We tried to deliver this package but you were out" slip.  I gave the local post office a roasting for that and haven't had any trouble since.

[Darrin]

taunusand wrote:

That is why I bougt a real 060 card and upgraded my A4000 instead of my A1200 :-D

I've just upgraded my A4000/40 @ 25Mhz 0MB to the card I mentioned as it happened to be offered to me at the right time.  I don't really need a 68060, but it's one of those things that you keep feeling the need to install.  :-D

[Kin-Hell]

-D- wrote:
Well, mine showed up today... but unfortunately, the mailman was too lazy to walk to the door (which they are required to do btw), and left a slip in the mailbox instead... so it'll be Monday eve before I can check it out. :evil:

Maybe they dont walk up to your door on Sundays? - Double time??  :lol:

I gotta do summat myself. My CSMKIII died on me 2 days ago & it's looking like the CPU is to blame! It's the only thing I can't swap out.

Will be interesting to hear of your expeience.

@ all

As a matter of interest, billy over there in China does have an awful lot of different 68xxx chips.
I think he' asking a bit much for the 60Mhz ones though!

Link

[delshay]

Kin-Hell wrote:

-D- wrote:
Well, mine showed up today... but unfortunately, the mailman was too lazy to walk to the door (which they are required to do btw), and left a slip in the mailbox instead... so it'll be Monday eve before I can check it out. :evil:

Maybe they dont walk up to your door on Sundays? - Double time??  :lol:

I gotta do summat myself. My CSMKIII died on me 2 days ago & it's looking like the CPU is to blame! It's the only thing I can't swap out.

Will be interesting to hear of your expeience.

@ all

As a matter of interest, billy over there in China does have an awful lot of different 68xxx chips.
I think he' asking a bit much for the 60Mhz ones though!

Link

thats a real 68060 well done!

[Jose]

"I think he' asking a bit much for the 60Mhz ones though!
Link"

Does the latest mask have any difference between the RC50 and RC60 versions or it's just labelling ?

[Damion]

Had a chance to test mine, it looks new and is absolutely a Rev 6. (I'll try to get a pic and maybe a WhichAmiga screenie up sometime later.) According to the date code it was manufactured in '02. The seller is fine, packed everything well/etc, totally recommended.

Unfortunately, I can't really test overclocking, as it seems the TekMagic won't run an '060 at '040 BCLK like the Apollo cards (won't boot), and the Rev 6 in my Apollo 1260 is soldered. :/ It does run just fine at 64MHz 1:1, but I don't want to risk pushing the bus any further without research.

In a few days I'll compare the temperatures of the Rev 1 and Rev 6 in the same card. The Rev 6 feels a bit cooler, maybe 5c or so. (A small copper heatsink like the enzotech CNB-SL1 makes a massive difference in temperature, keeps them cool even at 80MHz.)

In regard to some of the pics from the seller where it looks like the face of the chip is damaged, it looks to me like some glue residue from the factory Motorola heatsinks, like seen on the VMEbus boards. Mine was in absolutely perfect condition though. :pint:

[Kin-Hell]

delshay wrote:
thats a real 68060 well done!

??

[Damion]

OK, as promised some temperatures.

Load temps after 1 hour of Quake (demo loops), smallest window and screensize. 50MHz, A2000 case, no additional cooling (just the PSU fan). Measured with my good 'ol 3M Scotchtrak, at the warmest spot on the chip I could find. Ambient 19C.

Idle/Load

Rev 1: 55/62C

Rev 6: 51/57C

Roughly a 5C difference, IMHO not bad for 2 revisions of the same chip (the process shrink obviously helped).

Then I added an enzotech cnb-s1l + ceramique to the Rev 6, and measured again:

44/51C - A decent improvement, load was now where it idled without a heatsink! Ambient was also up a few degrees from the earlier tests. Temp might even come down a degree or so more after the paste breaks in.. :p

The above plus a small fan, and amazingly the load temperature drops to between 28 and 35C, depending on the amount of airflow (doesn't take much, an undervolted 40mm will do). On my Apollo 1260, load is always under 50C at 80MHz, in the desktop case, with the same copper cooler and a 40mm fan at 9v.

[alexh]

delshay wrote:

Kin-Hell wrote:
I think he' asking a bit much for the 60Mhz ones though!

Link

thats a real 68060 well done!

I'm pretty much sure that's an RC50 that has been re-marked. The number along the edge doesn't correspond. Although I have to admit that there is very little information on them.

Anyhow they are identical internally to RC50 and so cannot realistically demand a higher price.