Time for AROS and Natami ?

[Lorraine]

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[kolla]

bloodline wrote:

kolla wrote:

yakumo9275 wrote:

imo the 3d + superaga is a lot of wasted developmental effort.

I actually dont quite agree. The "SuperAGA" bit is appealing - Do I want to run DPaintV and do animations on 1024x768 HAM8 non-interlaced and thereabouts in decent speed? Yes, please  - thank you very much!

You had better start writing that DPaintV now... because the existing software can't use anything beyond what the AGA chipset provides...

Which is quite sufficient. AGA offers 1024x768 HAM already (and more for that matter), the only extra features would be non-interlaced (which Indivision-AGA fixes already) and speed. So, SuperAGA, as ordinary AGA only with more and faster RAM, would be just fine.

As for 3D - I'm not quite sure, depends how it is done and how old m68k software can use it.

The NatAmi could add anything to their chipset, but ALL existing software is going to be limited to what the AGA chips offered... all except RTG software, that is designed to run on GFX cards... but I'd rather buy a $10 GFX card than some weird Hobby FPGA with no software support....

Think for a bit!

And again, what AGA offers is quite OK, the only problem is ram for higher colour depths/resolutions, and speed.

And I really dont give a rat's ass about how much you want to spend on a gfx card. It's about time people like you realize that this is a hobby and that people are in this for the fun and the challange, and not much else. I guess the entire C64 scene doesnt make much sense to you, huh? Frankly I dont see why you bother hanging around on amiga sites when clearly, all you want you can buy at any electronics store.

I mean, seriously... think for a bit! :lol:

[Gebrochen]

IMHO I see nothing wrong with the trends. OS4 is the future for Amiga Platform, as are some other's, such as MorphOS, perhaps AROS, all these have one thing in common, they are trying to be here for thefuture.

If you want old hardware and would like new things for it, dont expect os4 users to make things backwards compatible to your old hardware, if we all did this, Amiga will never have a chance to survive for potential future new users towards the platform.

ANyway, just my 2 cents worth.

And er, we are not planning, as a future development Co. to be creating apps and games that run on anything less than os4 onwards and morphos 2 onwards. I can not see a point in this for new users to the platform, or better said, to attract new users to the platform.

Mac platform has been also a consideration.

The mac Mini idea is grand, as that PPC hardware stopped in 2006, but that is still a lot of potential users to use AOS4.1 or MOS2.1 in conjuction with their Mac OS.

CHeers.

Have a nice evening/day.

 8-)

We are hoping to be online next year, not sure when though.

AND

Apparently according to forums talk, havent already 1300 sams been sold recently to run os4.1?? And werent a total of around 5000 or more a1's sold at the time?? then theres the pegasos's and efika's running MOS2 or greater.

Hopefully in near future we can enjoy 2.5 ghz machines, but then, anything can happen with the amiga community. None of us expected hardware to be available for os4, until it happened and was announced.

PATIENCE is a virtue.  8-)

[persia]

If AmigaDos could be ported to Intel it could take advantage of the low price/performance ratio.  Maybe Hyperion could work out a deal offering AmigaDos as an option on EEE PC.  Clearly two ports would help.  OpenOffice 3 and Apple Webkit.  People might be willing to try an alternative OS if

1) they could have a full system for €300.
2) they can do word processing and web browsing
3) if they didn't like it they could run MS Windows or dual boot it

[Flashlab]

@bloodline

If the FPGA solution is significantly faster than classic Amigas with Zorro cards then it's good enough, I reckon.

[Gebrochen]

persia wrote:

3) if they didn't like it they could run MS Windows or  dual boot it

Er, excuse me, but I think many realise how bad windows is as an OS via the programming side of things. It has been shetly coded overall.THat is why vista is worse than xp.

Anyway. that aside

I can agree to your other statements for many sheep like people, who may be seeking an alternate OS and system

THis is why it would be handy if AOS and MOS were availble ot people with PPC mac hardware for now, that would gain some users towards Amiga related OS's via a duel boot sequence, and would allow the Amiga platform to grow a little more yet again.  :-D

In terms of ms users, most have just become used to their {bleep}ty os they are running, but would find they do not really need it at home as well, and only require it during working hours.

This could be a potential for mac, amiga and linux, and why many of us havent touched ms at home at all since.
 :-D

my 2 cents worth again.  :lol:

[mfletcher]

With the "Big Gun", Gunnar dropping off the Natami forums, I think many people are coming to the realization that he's full of {bleep}.

The idea of Natami is attractive, but cost prohibitive in my opinion, and its appeal is limited only to enthusiasts.

Gunnar was just piggybacking off the Natami developers hard work. Now that Natami is slipping into Vaporware, expect Gunnar to make even more infrequent appearances on natami.net

Better to concentrate on the C-One or Minimig if you want to resurrect the amiga in hardware form.

[Rob]

@Gebrochen

I'm not sure where you got your figure of 1300 sams from and 5000 AmigaOne's sounds like speculation from a few years back.  Evert Carton said there were less than 1000, it's somewhere in the court documents.

[persia]

The 1300 figure has been hinted at by Acube.  Acube is a privately held company and therefore does not have to report sales figures.  Take it with a grain or two of salt.

[itix]

@kolla

Which is quite sufficient. AGA offers 1024x768 HAM already (and more for that matter), the only extra features would be non-interlaced (which Indivision-AGA fixes already) and speed. So, SuperAGA, as ordinary AGA only with more and faster RAM, would be just fine.

And that you dont need special Amiga monitor to display that 1024x768 from AGA.

[itix]

@Gebrochen

And werent a total of around 5000 or more a1's sold at the time??

Hell, no. The whole Amiga community is maybe less than 5000 users.

As far as SAM, Pegasos and Efika are concerned their sales do not reflect with number of Amiga users. A1 was sold only to Amiga enthusiasts but Pegasos was found on non-Amiga markets and Efika and SAM have their targets at embedded customers.

[Sig999]

bloodline wrote:

wawrzon wrote:
no prejudice allthough i might be consider arrogant (sometimes). i use windows allright for what i need it. but, im not gonna pay ms to be able to run amiga, not after recent experience.

No need to give M$ any money (I don't), run UAE in Linux, or my choice: OSX

Yup... Thats what ran through my head too..

I ran uae years ago over a cutdown linux system.. Recently I've been playing with XAmiga on a throwaway box.. I mean the kind of box you could pick up for 50 bucks nowadays.

Boots right in - runs like a charm - and like your saying, not paying a cent to Microsoft.

[Gebrochen]

@ ITIX:

Your way wrong on that one dude.

There are already 5000 amiga users in germany alone, infact, europe is one of the biggest markets left for amiga as a whole, be it classic hardware or future hardware like sam and efika.

I know, IN america youd be lucky for 1000 users, and in australia 100(figure of speech)

Then theres the rest of europe left, that make up a total of atleast 10,0000 strong, one must not forget how the giant MS shet started out as, also only small in numbers. THe difference is, the amiga community stay in longer with the platform than the other platforms.

If we see Hyperion start porting the OS to mac ppc hardware, which stopped in 2006, thats a good start. Then theres PS3(if thatll ever happen, doubt it)

And after that maybe they go to the arm type of hardware Ive ben hearing about.

Cheers. :-D

[Manu]

10000 ! Now I believe you if you count those who
also bought back an old A500 A1200 to play around with
at home.

But 10000 Users that uses Amiga daily or almost
daily, not a chance in the world. Cut the figure in half
and your more close to the truth. And I also believe it's not
possible to sell more than 3000 peices of something "Amiga"
even if the price would be right in 2008-2009.

[Vanilla]

If AmigaDos could be ported to Intel it could take advantage of the low price/performance rati

It's too late to port AmigaDOS to the PC, Windows has replaced MSDOS already. :-D

An any case, AmigaDOS is said to be one of the worst parts of AmigaOS and should never have made it in. So maybe we should give it to PC users!

[Einstein]

Vanilla wrote:

If AmigaDos could be ported to Intel it could take advantage of the low price/performance rati

It's too late to port AmigaDOS to the PC, Windows has replaced MSDOS already. :-D

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An any case, AmigaDOS is said to be one of the worst parts of AmigaOS and should never have made it in. So maybe we should give it to PC users!

IMO Exec provides some of the nicer programming interfaces in native amigaland. Later (2.0+) Intuition provides some goodness too (beside the junk offcourse). And yes (Amiga)DOS is one of the uglier parts, I'm sure it's pretty ugly in the inside as well as the outside, poor thing.