Time for AROS and Natami ?

[woof]

>As for 3D - I'm not quite sure, depends how it is done
I suppose  it will be some kind of Warp3D emulation so all the (few) existing 680x0 3D softwares will run
But i suppose only...

Alain Thellier

[Piru]

I never stops to amaze me how any reason flies out of the door as soon as someone whiffs some imaginary super amiga at people.

[Tripitaka]

It's still a worthwhile product IMHO, providing in delivers. Natami's team have been better then certain other developers in keeping us up to date. The project does at least seem to have some drive so I'll remain optimistic for now.  :-D

[kolla]

Piru wrote:
I never stops to amaze me how any reason flies out of the door as soon as someone whiffs some imaginary super amiga at people.

I understand that you think the natami project is total waste of time and energy, and wont go anywhere. Then again - pot calling kettle black - look who's talking, if it isnt someone from the Blue Camp, where the prosperous future is all laid out and everything is happy-lala :-D

If someon wants to persue their interests and try to build a new enhanced amiga chipset... what the heck is wrong with that? Oh right, they'd have to be mad!  :-o

[Flashlab]

@Piru

Hey, at least it shows there's some demand for it! ;-)

I find it a very interesting project and think it would be very cool if they can deliver. I am a bit sceptical about the the project being real to say the least. To say it another way I haven't put any money aside for this.

There's a big silence from the Natami team now that real prototypes should have arrived. Also a lot of questions about how all the enhancements will be supported in OS3.x are unanswered. I will believe when I see it with my own eyes.

[Piru]

@kolla

pot calling kettle black - look who's talking, if it isnt someone from the Blue Camp, where the prosperous future is all laid out and everything is happy-lala

Last I checked we delivered - on schedule.

If someon wants to persue their interests and try to build a new enhanced amiga chipset... what the heck is wrong with that?

The designs are totally unrealistic. It will never complete as described on the website.

It's sad actually, at first the plans were somewhat realistic, at least. Since then everything and the kitchen sink have been added, making it virtually impossible for the project to ever complete.

[kickstart]

people is weird, someones tells that morphos for ppc macminis is a waste of time and at the same time they are amazed with a computer that is only rumours and hype, sorry guys i prefer the real things.

[Fats]

A1260 wrote:

aros is going nowhere, its put on the shelves to collect dust, ...

Don't think so (see f.ex. VmwAROS).
Staf.

[wawrzon]

even if the natami team, which seems mostly to be just one person that doesnt talk much, isnt going to deliver, jens schoenfeld has undertook some steps to catch up. (with his at the moment c-one based a-clone project). just to remind: the only natami version anyone have seen on *.jpg's was also c-one based. if i was interested in a performance comparable to a500 i would bought that and got involved immediately. for the moment i have enough a4ks here to bother, so i will wait till the 68k_softcore will be enabled to run at multiple50mhz speed. nothing is lost just yet and a-clone might need aros_68k as well.

[Piru]

@wawrzon

even if the natami team, which seems mostly to be just one person that doesnt talk much, isnt going to deliver, jens schoenfeld has undertook some steps to catch up. (with his at the moment c-one based a-clone project)

Clone-A is not C=1 based. Clone-A is bunch of pin compatible replacement chips (Denise, Gary, Paula and CIA). At later stage those can also be merged to a single chip machine.

A500 loaded with Clone-A custom chips

[wawrzon]

@piru: well not anymore. the replacement chips phase is now over. the c-one enchancement phase is ment as a development stadium and shall lead to a product that of course will not be posibble to squeeze into c-one fpga's. but this is now the case. i do not know if you read german, but here is the dedcated thread on a1k forum: www_a1k_org/forum/showthread.php?t=13391

[bloodline]

kolla wrote:

yakumo9275 wrote:

imo the 3d + superaga is a lot of wasted developmental effort.

I actually dont quite agree. The "SuperAGA" bit is appealing - Do I want to run DPaintV and do animations on 1024x768 HAM8 non-interlaced and thereabouts in decent speed? Yes, please  - thank you very much!

You had better start writing that DPaintV now... because the existing software can't use anything beyond what the AGA chipset provides...

As for 3D - I'm not quite sure, depends how it is done and how old m68k software can use it.

The NatAmi could add anything to their chipset, but ALL existing software is going to be limited to what the AGA chips offered... all except RTG software, that is designed to run on GFX cards... but I'd rather buy a $10 GFX card than some weird Hobby FPGA with no software support....

Think for a bit!

[Piru]

@wawrzon

Uh, aren't there any better ways to do this than to use seriously space-constrained C=1 ?

As far as I know there are very good FPGA development kits available these days. Way better than anything C=1 has to offer.

[EDIT]

Ah, the C=1 FPGA extender:
http://c64upgra.de/c-one/pics/FPGA_extender_proto.jpg
http://c64upgra.de/c-one/pics/c1extender_final.jpg

Fair enough, makes more sense now.

[/EDIT]

[bloodline]

A1260 wrote:

aros is going nowhere, its put on the shelves to collect dust, after the break up within the aros team. anubis is the new os where aros continue.....

read here...
http://www.osnews.com/story/20516/Former_AROS_Developers_Start_New_OS_Project_Much_Secrecy

Utter crap... AROS is doing just fine, right now Anubis is just a discussion group to plan the future...

[wawrzon]

@bloodline:
well, the problem is, that of that 10$ gfx cards only voodoo series has some kind os warp3d support as far i know, both on classics/mediator (i have one) and above. so we seem to be seriously doomed to wait for that weird hobby superaga or for someone seriously dedicated to write warp3d drivers for something else.

[Piru]

@bloodline

the existing software can't use anything beyond what the AGA chipset provides.

Exactly...

And for any current software to take advantage of the new graphics modes, new audio modes or 3D, you'd first need to write RTG drivers, AHI drivers and Warp3D drivers.

Those things don't just drop out of the sky. You can easily spend years on 3D drivers alone.