A new Amiga OS ??????

[Einstein]

Fresh breath, smells good !

[cantido]

dammy wrote:
and it calls init.  From that point on, there isn't much going to be comparable between Linux Distros

So you're going to write a Amiga-ish OS on to of Linux?
You seem to have understood how init is launched but skimmed over the rest of the details about how you intend to replace all the rest of the userland you need which is in no way Amiga like. Me thinks you'll end up with UAE running in a busybox based system.

[cantido]

persia wrote:
OS X moved the Mac environment from it old base to a FreeBSD one.

None of the old Mac OS code is in OSX.

But FreeBSD is still there under the hood.  I can load X Windows and run X Windows based programs in OS X.

Ugh? You could run X Windows applications on AmigaOS if you want to port one of the current implementations or write your own. I fail to see which part of OSX being "based" on some FreeBSD code (Which in turn comes from NetBSD and kin) makes it able to run X11 apps. Cygwin have an X11 implementation for Windows, maybe its based on FreeBSD too?

Does OSX retain the syscall emulation stuff that allows *BSD run commercial Linux binaries? Stuff like that would be *interesting*.
   

a sort of OS 9 in a box until it was no longer needed and then it was removed.

That's called an emulator.

So what you are talking about is a Linux running a cloned Amiga environment on top with an integrated classic (OS 3.9) emulator?

If Amiga-ish features are what people want why bother replacing a perfectly good environment with yet more one-man-band totally unworkable dreams... why not just support the existing projects that are working towards these goals and actually have backing. The mind boggles.

[tonyyeb]

@cantido

Why not wait until full details are out. At the moment there is just speculation about what people may or may not have heard in IRC channels.

Can someone get an interview with a developer? There isn't much info here:

http://arosshow.blogspot.com/2008/11/new-amiga-based-operating-system.html

[cantido]

tonyyeb wrote:
@cantido
Why not wait until full details are out.

Anyone that isn't totally deluded knows that this is all hot air. As soon as stuff like "stripping the Linux kernel" is mentioned you know it's going to turn out a pathetic waste of time.

Dammy dislikes Fedora so he and his gang of merry men are going to write an "OS" on top of a kernel that doesn't fit the hole they want to ram it into. I might have taken it a bit more seriously if they said they were going to work on top of L4 or something....

[persia]

I agree, it seems more pipe dream than reality based.  How is this different than AROS except you are starting with a Linux Kernel?  And why Linux anyway?  It's a monolithic kernel, which seems sort of opposite the Amiga ideal...

[takemehomegrandma]

the goals are reasonable and within reach

If you say so. Wake me up when there is anything to show.

The idea is kind of cool though, but it takes a lot more than programming to make an OS take off (that's why practically none of all the brave new OS projects gets anywhere in practice), and you are what, two programmers and one "community communicator"? It could become something cool, but I won't hold my breath! ;-)

[takemehomegrandma]

zylesea wrote:

cicero790 wrote:
What is this?

http://anubis-os.org/

Don't know, but if it turns out to get something like an "Amigaish OS X" it *could* (mind the conditional here) become cool. Depends on how much *nix will be in there and how much Amiga? How the balance will be and how it will be tied together. If it starts acting and feeling like Linux I am out...

+1

[takemehomegrandma]

cantido wrote:

persia wrote:
OS X moved the Mac environment from it old base to a FreeBSD one.

None of the old Mac OS code is in OSX.

That's why the new Mac OS is so much more stable, so much more usable and generally so much more interesting. That's why the Mac took off again. And just who the f*ck cares about old OS code anyway?

[persia]

So basically AROS with a kernel transplant?  Sounds a bit ambitious to me.  ANy you've got two people to work on it?

[tonyyeb]

persia wrote:
So basically AROS with a kernel transplant?

Nope. The facts:

* It will not be an AROS fork
* It will not be aimed at an Amiga 3.1 compatible operating system
* A stripped Linux kernel will form part of it

All these taken from: http://arosshow.blogspot.com/2008/11/new-amiga-based-operating-system.html

[Argo]

Comments at the AROS Show say it is not going to use a stripped down Linux Kernel.
 
Can't be an AROS fork. Using a Linux Kernel kills the idea of a fork. Unless you know of someone insane enough with loads of free time to get the Linux Kernel APIs and the AROS API to work together somehow.

The whole project was spurned out of one devs bounty attempt and his frustration of haveing to fix and/or add APIs and components to AROS in order to try to get the port he was working on the possibility of working.

So, I assume that this will be a non-backwards compatable modern vision of Amiga OS.

[cicero790]

This is from AW

As long as i had talked with both michal and m0ns00n on IRC, it looks to me like it is their intention to give a full look and feel amiga, in short: libraries, devices and so on; even the graphic system, beside being based on xcb, looks it maybe might use part of zune or a similar philosophy, plus i remember they told me is expected a partial API compatibility with aros.

I am more concerned that people might think that because of anubis aros will be neglected and forgot; being an open source project,it might be taken over by somebody else, plus anubis and aros have different targets: anubis aim more at new machines while aros has also old hardware as target reference. The two projects can convive and interoperate (AROS can run hosted on anubis as far as i know); probably even attract more developers to an amiga-like approach to programming, thing that so far is kinda hard due to the lack of documentation and tools.

More than else, i reckon Michal say that being amiga an history of lost occasions, he want to make Anubis OS what Amiga os 4 or even aros should have been. Sounds a bit like what apple did with os-x, having even the old sandboxed os-9 in the earliest incarnations of os-x; considered that a leap is anyway required because even the new os4.1 still has its problems i see it as a good move.

I honestly support both, but my main focus now is on aros; is the closest to work properly and will be one of the foundations (license allowing) for its son. Just IMO we should support all amiga os incarnations at least emotionally: been outside of amiga environment for some year and when i came back to see how things were going, especially due to aros progresses, i found a severe fragmentation; i would like more to see all systems doing some kind of cooperation inorder to enlarge the applications range and, hopefully the userbase under all the Amiga OS incarnations.

saimon69

[persia]

Yep, the death of AROS I'm afraid.  Instead of one never ending project we'll have two.  Makes no sense but such is the open source world, you can't tell people where to spend there time, even if it's a waste, it's their time to waste...

[mihcael]

by persia on 2008/11/11 7:38:35  

So basically AROS with a kernel transplant? Sounds a bit ambitious to me. ANy you've got two people to work on it?

Think they might have more then 2 people...

from http://aros-wandering.blogspot.com/

There's a new name on the block regarding AmigaOS Family OSes. It's name is Anubis (The ancient Egyptian God of Death - no comments as every is already been made!) and it's main premise is to build an Amiga like OS on top of the linux kernel. And guess what?!

In the developper team there are some pretty top names from the AROS development, such as Ola Jensen, Robert Norris, Alex gappern, Hogne Titlestad, Michal Schulz, Michael Grunditz, Oliver Brunner, Olivier Tigreat, Pavel Fedin, Stanisław Szymczyk...

As it's in planing stage, there's still very few info and detail is scarce at the moment, but if you would like to know more check it's web-site (Still WIP):

[dammy]

The idea is kind of cool though, but it takes a lot more than programming to make an OS take off (that's why practically none of all the brave new OS projects gets anywhere in practice), and you are what, two programmers and one "community communicator"? It could become something cool, but I won't hold my breath!

If I knew as little as you did, I'd probably feel the same way.

Dammy