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Re: SAM 440 - What would owning one mean to you?
« Reply #74 from previous page: November 07, 2008, 10:48:12 AM »
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SAM440 is not an Amiga.  It's a Linux box, it's a AROS box, it's clearly NOT an Amiga.

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I disagree from the perspective that the operating system is very much an Amiga. Clearly it's the best product to hit the market since OS4. Does the fact that MAC move to intel stop it from being a MAC? I think not. Enjoy the fact that the Amiga OS has extended its life span, even if it is short lived, its better than what we have had for quite some time. I think that the SAM is going to out perform my 68060 when I put it next to it. Then I will tell you whether or not it truly is an Amiga in the full sense of the word.
 

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Re: SAM 440 - What would owning one mean to you?
« Reply #75 on: November 07, 2008, 11:06:56 AM »
If the sam can run amiga games and hardware banging apps in emulation as fast as 060 , or maybe an 030 to be fair then it will be worth it.

But Im guessing it doesn't

What OS4 needs is an integrated Aga chipset and 68k emulator that matches or beats the speed of the fastest classic amiga, otherwise it and indeed morphos are pretty pointless as an amiga like os.
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Re: SAM 440 - What would owning one mean to you?
« Reply #76 on: November 07, 2008, 11:15:05 AM »
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If the sam can run amiga games and hardware banging apps in emulation as fast as 060 , or maybe an 030 to be fair then it will be worth it.

But Im guessing it doesn't

What OS4 needs is an integrated Aga chipset and 68k emulator that matches or beats the speed of the fastest classic amiga, otherwise it and indeed morphos are pretty pointless as an amiga like os.


I'll let you know once ive taken delivery of mine :)
 

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Re: SAM 440 - What would owning one mean to you?
« Reply #77 on: November 07, 2008, 11:44:06 AM »
@ Dammy:

You must not be having a clear mind today??

Hans has already told you, as various others on the forum here within this thread, OS4.1 RUNS NATIVELY on sam440ep just like AROS and LINUX.

SO, to keep it simple stupid = KISS, the sam440ep may as well be considered the newest of Amiga systems.

Easily to say, that it is also a linux box, but then,  I spose as others also have stated, one could say that the newest MAC boxes, are perhaps no longer MACS, as they are running on x86 and no longer on PPC.

SO

My question to you dammy is, why are you trying to pick a fight with smart and intelligent people like HANS, who know what they are talking about??

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Re: SAM 440 - What would owning one mean to you?
« Reply #78 on: November 07, 2008, 11:45:40 AM »
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You called it a Linux box because it can run Linux, and an AROS box because AROS also runs on it. Amiga OS 4.1 also runs on it (natively), so by what leap of logic is it not also an "Amiga box"?


Eventually I will be able to run AROS 68K natively on an Amiga 68K.  Does that mean the Amiga is now an AROS box?  If I run Linux on a Amiga (Amiga 68K or AmigaOne), does that mean it's no longer an Amiga but a Linux box?  An Amiga is a licensed product, like it or not.  I most certainly do not like the current owners of the Amiga IP, but I do respect their property rights.

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Re: SAM 440 - What would owning one mean to you?
« Reply #79 on: November 07, 2008, 11:47:03 AM »
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My question to you dammy is, why are you trying to pick a fight with smart and intelligent people like HANS, who know what they are talking about??


Because he is not being intellectually honest by calling it something it's clearly not?

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Re: SAM 440 - What would owning one mean to you?
« Reply #80 on: November 07, 2008, 11:48:42 AM »
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Gebrochen wrote:
@ Dammy:

You must not be having a clear mind today??

My question to you dammy is, why are you trying to pick a fight with smart and intelligent people like HANS, who know what they are talking about??

Thank you

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Re: SAM 440 - What would owning one mean to you?
« Reply #81 on: November 07, 2008, 11:52:40 AM »
@ Dammy:

Fair enough I suppose, we all have our own thoughts and personalities as well as characteristics when it comes to thoughts of what something should be called and what not.

Wanna hear my view:

I personally will be calling it a Duel boot system, And will call it an amiga system for my purposes of running it as a daily after hours from my industrial XP system.

However, That does not mean that one cant call it a linux or whatever else box if they want to.

What I am trying to say is, it depends on what the individua who uses the hardware, is using it for!

Cheers, and thank you for not flaming me and taking my question seriously in my previous post.

Have a good weekend mate. :pint:

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Re: SAM 440 - What would owning one mean to you?
« Reply #82 on: November 07, 2008, 12:12:36 PM »
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I have a chance to see a Sam440 running OS4.1 next week at a live demo.  If it performs as I expect, I will be ordering one shortly afterwards.

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I would be fascinated to hear your feedback on this. PM me once you get a good feel for the 440.
 

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Re: SAM 440 - What would owning one mean to you?
« Reply #83 on: November 07, 2008, 12:20:42 PM »
Nuffin :-P I prefer the original hardware. I have used WinUAE, but nothing gives me that nostalgic feeling like using a real Amiga. Even down to putting the floppy disk in, and hearing it load the game. I even find it soothing just to look at the Amiga. And let's not forget touching it! I was also tempted to buy a MiniMig, but it's too expensive for me, especially considering how crappy the Aussie dollar is at the moment :-(

Basically, when I fist used the Amiga, I was a teenager, without any responsibility, or a care in the world :-D So when I find the time to play a classic game, or watch a demo, or play with the hardware, it helps me to unwind and relax. I bet the designers never envisaged their creation(s) being used as therapy!

I also think that the Amiga was very well designed. How many 20+ year old computers are there, that can be hooked up to a modern PC? I was a very happy man when I discovered that I could use a null modem cable to transfer data to/from my PC and Amiga. It allowed me to play all those classic games that I missed out on! I know, that is the slowest method. I also have a CF to PC card adapter, and software from AmigaKit so that I can use my A600. And there are other methods...

But no, I'm not obsessed with Amigas, I just have a soft spot for them :-) It's also good to know that when I need it, my Amiga is always there, waiting for me...

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Re: SAM 440 - What would owning one mean to you?
« Reply #84 on: November 07, 2008, 01:06:50 PM »
You sure its not a hard spot rather than a soft spot  :-D

Do you find this is the case when you are just touching your amigas andd insert a floppy into them  :-D
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Re: SAM 440 - What would owning one mean to you?
« Reply #86 on: November 07, 2008, 02:27:20 PM »
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what it means to me is that I didnt put the crack pipe down and made a terrible decision.  Fortunately I dont do crack so I'm a-ok!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


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You cant run AmigaOS on the EFIKA unless its through e-uae.  Get an EFIKA, its awesome or wait for something faster to come out and get that instead.



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Re: SAM 440 - What would owning one mean to you?
« Reply #87 on: November 07, 2008, 02:40:52 PM »
@takemehomegrandma

Instead of making assumptions, why don't you just ask ACube (publically or in private form) how is Sam selling in the industrial market?

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Re: SAM 440 - What would owning one mean to you?
« Reply #88 on: November 07, 2008, 03:48:37 PM »
"Efika" and "awesome" can't fit in the same sentence!


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Re: SAM 440 - What would owning one mean to you?
« Reply #89 on: November 07, 2008, 04:22:29 PM »
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Efika needs a display card (PCI or AGP card on a riser) which power/performance ratio is hardly any better than ATI M9.


With an AGP slot you have the *option to choose* based on your own preferences regarding price/performance. Maybe you prefer low cost in favor of 3D performance for instance?

And more important than the GPU version (after all, no Sam/Efika is going to be used as a PS3 replacement any day soon anyway ;-)) is the amount of memory! At least in the case of MorphOS, thanks to its "Layers 3D" functionality, you know where the GUI is handled by the 3D GPU (somewhat like in MacOS X and Windows Vista). This consumes a lot of GFX card memory. I've heard that 64MB is a *bare minimum* (and *not* recommended), 128MB is better, and 256MB "let you use your machine without worrying about the mem consumed by l3d" (to quote jacadcaps).

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Efika needs 2.5" hard drive (they are very slow on all laptops that I've used).


That's probably because you have only used slow laptops with low RAM and bulky OS's which makes heavy use of the HDD (for virtual memory and other stuff). As you know, this is not the case on any Amiga environment, where the system boots in an instant, programs are tiny and loads in a flash, etc. And on the Efika the HDD will not be the weakest link in the IDE chain anyway, so...

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SAM has two times more RAM, 4*SATA IDE interface


Sure, the Sam has more desktop alike controllers, which undoubtedly is much appreciated by people wanting to use it as a desktop. At the penalty of an insane price, of course...

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FREE PCI slot


...that shares the same PCI bus as all the other controllers (including the GPU).

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a lot faster CPU


No, definitely not a lot. To be honest, I haven't seen any real life comparisons, but given the higher clock frequency I'd say it's probably a bit faster, although you can certainly *not* call the Sam CPU *fast* in any way, especially not for serious desktop usage. A lean OS like the "amigoid" OS's makes the experience pleasurable on low power CPU's as long as you're not doing anything particular with it, but as soon as you start doing *demanding stuff* you should know the difference. I'd say that both Sam's and the Efika's CPU can be categorized in the same class of "embedded" CPU's.

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DVI out


DVI out has been on every graphics card for ages, haven't it?

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So, IMHO SAM is worth the "extra" price.


That's great then! :-)

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(I will order MOS board someday, I just desided to go one at a time.) :-)


Maybe the MacMini version of MorphOS is ready when you are ready for MorphOS? Then you could get the fastest Amiga ever (1.58GHz 7447A G4), at a really low cost! :-)

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Sure, also I spotted the redtail board in bbrv's web blog. It looks interesting for a desktop/laptop/kiosk "Amiga". Perhaps MOS and/or AOS4 will be available for something like that someday,


The 8610 is the latest and definitely one of the fastest e600 based CPU's. Its integrated display controller and north bridge functionality makes it possible to build a system with a very good bang for the buck ratio.

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now when they are not tied to any single HW manufacturer.


Well, that remains to be seen (in both cases!) ;-)
MorphOS is Amiga done right! :)