Anyone happy with OS 4.1? Is it much to write home about?

[Amithony]

Im surprised there hasnt been much talk around OS4.1 these days.

[alexh]

On the downside :

There is no decent hardware to run it on.

OS4.x for Classics doesn't run classic software (that bangs the hardware) meaning you need an OS3.x dual boot system.

The new SAM hardware is over priced and underpowered.

On the plus side:

It does come in a very nice box.

Die hard Amiga users with too much money will probably love both the SAM and OS4.1 :-)

[Amithony]

So how much are we talking here?

alexh wrote:
There is no decent hardware to run it on.

OS4.x for Classics doesn't run classic software (that bangs the hardware) meaning you need an OS3.x dual boot system.

The new SAM hardware is over priced and underpowered.

Die hard Amiga users with too much money will probably love both the SAM and OS4.1 :-)

On the plus side it comes in a nice box.

[alexh]

€600* for a 667MHz consumer version (includes everything except monitor) plus €120 for OS4.1

~$1,400 AUD

http://www.acube-systems.biz/eng/sam.php

* Sam440ep board with 512 MB DDR Ram, ATI Radeon M9 64MB and Audio 5.1 onboard, SATA DVD-RW, SATA 80 Gb Hard Disk, Logitech Optical Mouse

[Amithony]

Wowzer! That is a lot. I wonder if anyone has tried getting it to work under emulation?

alexh wrote:
€600 for a 667MHz version plus €120 for OS4.1

~$1,400 AUD

http://www.acube-systems.biz/eng/sam.php

[alexh]

I wonder if anyone has tried getting it to work under emulation?

It would probably take a large amount of effort to get it working well, not to mention dumping the BIOS, re-coding the available PPC emulator engines for a 440EP etc.

The fact we've not seen an emulator for OS4.0 classic is a good indication that no-one is going to do it IMHO.

[Amithony]

True. But man it would be nice to have. I am impressed by the screenshots. I take it compatibility with old KS 1.3 -> 3 SW is not exactly going to be great.

[darksun9210]

while i agree with the cost side of things... the x86 world has kinda gotten us used to mega mass production and assocciated cost to market savings. so a limited production run will always cost more...

also, how much money have people dropped on buying an iPhone toy?

and how many people will still be using either an iPhone or sam4.1 in a year or twos time? (hopefully more iphones gathering dust in kitchen draws than sams ;-)

[Amithony]

I would have been happier with a 1Ghz version at that price though. Maybe coming soon?

[bigmac]

Geez Alex a litle bit of creative accounting there mate Vesalia sells the mobo and Os for about 640euros and then you can deduct the vat I paid $970.00 including express postage to oz  :-D granted the ozzie dollar has kacked itself but the mobo and os would still cost less than your figures, oh and it all runs quite nicely too thankyou I,m very happy with it, everything installed smoothly and worked first time, I,d have no probs recommending it to anyone so there you go the reason its very quiet on here is simply because were all to busy having fun :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[drHirudo]

I am very happy with AmigaOS 4.1 and use it daily. It totally replaced my AmigaOS 4.0 install once I fixed the AmigaInput and now play games, watch movies, code, program, edit graphics, design and do everything else a computer would require on it, so I don't plan to buy PC for now.

[cv643d]

alexh wrote:
On the downside :

There is no decent hardware to run it on.

OS4.x for Classics doesn't run classic software (that bangs the hardware) meaning you need an OS3.x dual boot system.

The new SAM hardware is over priced and underpowered.

On the plus side:

It does come in a very nice box.

Die hard Amiga users with too much money will probably love both the SAM and OS4.1 :-)

Have you run OS 4.0/4.1?

[alexh]

bigmac wrote:
Geez Alex a litle bit of creative accounting there mate

I dont think so!! The prices came directly from the ACube website!

bigmac wrote:
Vesalia sells the mobo and Os for about 640euros

Where is the case, DDR RAM, hard drive, DVD-RW and all the other things that were included in the price above!!

cv643d wrote:
Have you run OS 4.0/4.1?

I tried OS 4.0 Classic but when it became obvious that backwards compatibility was low I had to create a 3.x dual boot which I now use whenever I use my Amiga. I do not use my Amiga for every day computing. A bit of retrogaming, demos, the odd bit of coding.

[Hans_]

alexh wrote:

cv643d wrote:
Have you run OS 4.0/4.1?

I tried OS 4.0 Classic but when it became obvious that backwards compatibility was low I had to create a 3.x dual boot which I now use whenever I use my Amiga. I do not use my Amiga for every day computing. A bit of retrogaming, demos, the odd bit of coding.

So, you haven't actually tried Amiga OS 4.1, yet you post about its pros and cons. As someone who has Amiga OS 4.1 (on an A1-XE) let me just say that it is a big improvement over OS 4.0. It's a nice system. The compositing works well; it's more stable; AmigaInput is back (joystick support); almost every part of the system has been improved in some way. OWB is included, so you have a CSS browser (the features are still basic though, e.g., no download support yet). Some of the new features I don't use, e.g., the PTP file transfer (my camera works as a mass-storage device). Most importantly for me, the extra functionality it provides for developers (e.g., built in Cairo) expands the possibilities.

I do agree with you though that the hardware is expensive and hope that work is being done toward lowering the cost of entry.

Hans

P.S. It was always made clear that hardware banging apps wouldn't be supported.

[Hans_]

Amithony wrote:
Im surprised there hasnt been much talk around OS4.1 these days.

We're too busy using OS 4.1. ;-)

Hans