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Sam440 - first impressions
« on: October 24, 2008, 08:44:12 PM »
Well today my Sam and OS4.1 arrived from Amigakit safe and sound.

Thought I'd let you know my first impressions.

I chose to build my sam up in a ITX case, I chose this one from LINitx:- http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=11124, The reasons I chose it were it had space for a 3.5" hard disk and that save me buying one for the Sam as I already had a 250Gb one on hand and it came had room for a pci card and came with riser (more on this later). Also in the case I fitted a slot loading DVD Rom drive with suitable SATA adapter. I would heartily recommend LINitx as a supplier, I have used them a number of times and never had any issues with them.

Unpacking and fitting into the case:-
I had already installed the discs into the case as I’d had an ITX PC board in it until Sam arrived. So it was just a matter of installing the board in the case and cabling it up. The Sam currently doesn’t come with an IO back plate but I have been assured by Amigakit they will forward one to me when they arrive from Acube, which means I’ll have to strip the machine down again when it arrives, though at £450 I would expect this to be included at time of purchase.
The mounting holes lined up with my case perfectly, as they should being the ITX standard but nice to see.
The ATX power header is a right angled one which makes the attachment of the power cable when the board is mounted rather difficult.
The internal USB header is only 8 pin and not the 9 pin keyed type found on most pc’s so some care has to be taken attaching front panel connectors (note the 9th pin should hang off the connector to the rear of the Sam).
The PCI riser would not fit as it is keyed to the 5 volt type of card and the Sam only excepts 3 volt cards, not a fault of the Acube or the case manufacturers but damn annoying as the supplied riser is dog legged back to fit the case so standard riser will not fit, so no wifi for my Sam for now.
All the other cables were easy enough except for the lack of polarity information for the power and HD leds but this is on a par with most pc board manufacturers, as always I made a best guess and was wrong so quickly shut the Sam down and reversed them.

The PSU supplied with the case is rated at 80w and is running my Sam, hard disk and DVD rom with no problems.

Once the machine was assembled I powered it up and inserted the OS4.1 cd and the installation process started booting. The installation is process is exactly the same as OS4.1 on the Amiga one.

Upon the successful completion of the install the hard disc tried to boot and failed dumping me to a uboot prompt after about an hour of swearing and messing about I realised that this was caused by a PEBCAK error (Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard). I had forgotten to check the bootable box on DH0. DOH!!!

Once I rectified this the hard disk booted straight away and prompted me to set up screen mode, sound card and internet connection. All of which went well except I can’t get a display larger than 1280 x 1024 at the moment (my monitor will do 1920 x 1200), but I’ll play with that later.

More on how OS4.1 performs later, I want to go and play with it now.

Gaz

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Re: Sam440 - first impressions
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2008, 09:00:05 PM »
@Gaz

Good write up - wish I could afford one  :boohoo:

Enjoy your playtime :lol:

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Re: Sam440 - first impressions
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2008, 09:51:56 PM »
Thsi is an excellent review considering you only received the item today.

Hope the initial problems are ironed out and that you can display the system in it's full glory at the MAG Bash on Saturday week (1st November).
 

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Re: Sam440 - first impressions
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2008, 10:14:34 PM »
Hope you can run 1920x1200, keep us informed about that!  :-)
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Re: Sam440 - first impressions
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2008, 10:25:44 PM »
"PEBCAK error (Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard)"  :roflmao:  
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Re: Sam440 - first impressions
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2008, 10:50:31 PM »
Great story. Waiting for more first hand details and impressions.
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Re: Sam440 - first impressions
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2008, 12:12:13 AM »
@gazgod

Thanks for sharing your impressions.

All the best with your new machine.

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Re: Sam440 - first impressions
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2008, 01:00:33 AM »
One thing I didn't mention is that I've completely failed to get a USB to PS2 converter to work with it so far, i have 3 different ones here which I use to get different machine to work with my PS2 KVM's and even my old faithful ones that work with macs, my efika and even sun usb boxes (as long as you boot them with a sun keyboard and then swap) fail to be recognise in any of the Sam's USB ports.   :pissed:

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Re: Sam440 - first impressions
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2008, 03:21:43 AM »
Here's hoping they iron out some of the gremlins before i buy one.
 

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Re: Sam440 - first impressions
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2008, 10:20:49 AM »
Very nice preview, thanks.
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Re: Sam440 - first impressions
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2008, 11:56:40 AM »
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Upon the successful completion of the install the hard disc tried to boot and failed dumping me to a uboot prompt after about an hour of swearing and messing about I realised that this was caused by a PEBCAK error (Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard). I had forgotten to check the bootable box on DH0. DOH!!!


Hi, I'm using AmigaOS 4.1 on my SAM too, and I had similar installation problems. However, I don't think this is a "PEBCAK" issue, 'cos it's quite disturbing that a system installer, in year 2008, forgets to set the system partition as "bootable": yes, it's the installer that should do this, not the user.

For istance, I had not your exact problem but I got stuck at reboot many times, because I didn't read the manual (ehm) and I didn't place the bootblock at the beginning of the drive. Another time, however, I think that in yera 2008 it should be installer's duty, not user's.

In a nutshell: this is neither MS/DOS nor Linux, it's AmigaOS. User should be able to install it flawlessly, close the installer and reboot the system without any glitch. I can do this even with AROS, why the costy AmigaOS 4.1 doesn't allow this?
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Re: Sam440 - first impressions
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2008, 11:57:12 AM »
I want one  :boohoo:
I look forward to when I have saved up for one :-)

Thanks for the preview :-)
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Re: Sam440 - first impressions
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2008, 02:37:14 PM »
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Upon the successful completion of the install the hard disc tried to boot and failed dumping me to a uboot prompt after about an hour of swearing and messing about I realised that this was caused by a PEBCAK error (Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard). I had forgotten to check the bootable box on DH0. DOH!!!


Hi, I'm using AmigaOS 4.1 on my SAM too, and I had similar installation problems. However, I don't think this is a "PEBCAK" issue, 'cos it's quite disturbing that a system installer, in year 2008, forgets to set the system partition as "bootable": yes, it's the installer that should do this, not the user.

For istance, I had not your exact problem but I got stuck at reboot many times, because I didn't read the manual (ehm) and I didn't place the bootblock at the beginning of the drive. Another time, however, I think that in yera 2008 it should be installer's duty, not user's.

In a nutshell: this is neither MS/DOS nor Linux, it's AmigaOS. User should be able to install it flawlessly, close the installer and reboot the system without any glitch. I can do this even with AROS, why the costy AmigaOS 4.1 doesn't allow this?



I agree with you completely. IMHO uboot is a pile that should be scrapped as soon as possible, why does a computer require 3 layers of boot strapping (uboot, sdl and bootable partition) to boot the os? When there is open firware out the that does the job more efficiently and with less problems for the user. Uboot was a kludge to stop the people buying development boards instead of the "genuine" (read as licenced) A1's and should of been consigned to the nice idea but sh1t bin of computing history a long time ago.

If open firmware was used all you need to do is mark a partition as bootable, then you can boot any partition you require at the OF prompt, no messing about with sdl bootblocks. This is true of all OF based machines I've used even apple which have a long history of been quite contrary with there implementation of "standards".

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Re: Sam440 - first impressions
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2008, 02:51:53 PM »
paolone wrote:
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In a nutshell: this is neither MS/DOS nor Linux, it's AmigaOS. User should be able to install it flawlessly, close the installer and reboot the system without any glitch. I can do this even with AROS, why the costy AmigaOS 4.1 doesn't allow this?


mhhh! where the fun then? would you prefer an "idiot proof" system ala windows? no thanks

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Re: Sam440 - first impressions
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2008, 02:54:27 PM »
What are you going to use the machine for? I'd buy one but I don't think there is enough in the way of software out there for it to be worth my money. If there was a couple of decent games ported over to it that would be different.

How are the web browsers on this setup?

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