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Re: Porting Games To Amiga os4/4.1 platforms
« Reply #29 from previous page: October 18, 2008, 12:40:29 PM »
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@Starke AmigaRises Gebrochen,
NOW I remember you Starke. Aren't you the fruitloop who posted here a year or so back encouraging people to print out and post handbills at bus stops, shopping malls, airports, etc. to let people know that OS4 was "out there"?

Why is it you need three amiga.org accounts - did the first two get banned, or do you just roll a new account every so often in violation of the TOS?



I remember this quite vividly. S'funny old world ain't it!
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Re: Porting Games To Amiga os4/4.1 platforms
« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2008, 03:14:11 PM »
OK, this is entertaining, one guy assumes that I am someone else and then everybody jumps with him??
Just goes to show that if one jumps off the clff, the rest will follow, typical of this user group I suppose.

Anyway, this stark creature aside,

I was simply trying to work out how may people would be interested, simple yes or no answer, as to work out if it is even worth developing anything for the platform.

But after much dismay at first, atleast one person has given what he thinks would be a fair figure, and if that figure is 150, than thats better than my figure I had in my head.

So, as for the other development companies, well, they are wlling to give me and our crew some advice during our development processes, now, please bear in mind, our programmer might be good at coding, but he hasnt, nor have I, ever attempted on doing a 3d rendered type game, which basically means this will take some time.(and at the moment,everything is only in idea form anyway, nothings left the ground yet, and after this, it may be longer to leave the ground)

As for this 3d engine,I never said what type of development by memory within the whole forum(again, someone assumes something, and the sheep follow methusa or whatever)
On top of that, it clearly stated if any would be interested in seeing new development, not to debate it, like this has gotten way out of hand, I had simple expectations here, thinking, this'll be easy, everyone will most likely just say yes, ofcourse, why not, etc, instead, it seems I was wrong, and the whole amiga user group at A.org wish to debate every little piece of equipment, rather than just telling me some statistics.

SO

For the guy that mentioned a statistic,and the people that took it seriously and said yes, or they would be interested, thankyou, as for the rest of you, I can only wonder if your responses wouldve been the same if Hyperion posted this themselves.

Cheers.

@WAYNE:
Hey wayne, Dont know how to delete this thread, and was hoping you could do it for me, as I no longer need any further information, Ive got what I came for, which was an indication of if anyone is interested, and it seems, not many are interested to begin with, instead they rather argue or debate something as simple as this, that only required a yes no answer.

@ All:

Thank you for giving me an insight of how uninterested and biased, and negative the amiga user group nowadays is, If I got anything out of this, it is the fact that atleast someone told me a nice figure of 150, which is small, but then, one has to start somewhere, weather it be development, or creating a traffic engineering design fle in CAD for construction to happen.

Once again, sincere thank you.

P.S. My colleague and I are still considering in creating atleast one game, so, Im sure he or I will post an update next year if we went ahead with our ideas, as it seems this year is already over, and by the time we get certain things organised.... you get the picture.


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Re: Porting Games To Amiga os4/4.1 platforms
« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2008, 03:57:56 PM »
Enough is enough...

this guy gebrochen wanted to question us ...if you  dont
want to answer you just dont answer...

The other things I noticed the hostile,unfriendly ,lols etc show persons problematic...

You have a DUTY to be polite in a forum, otherwards you are COWARD...

If I was gebrochen and was told what he was told by some ppl here, I would punch them in the nose if I could,,,but I cannot because it is a forum...I think thats what they take advantage of ...


sorry people ... but you should be ashamed of you... (NOT ALL ..but some)
 

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Re: Porting Games To Amiga os4/4.1 platforms
« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2008, 04:35:03 PM »
I think there is a point where realism has to come into play.  The stark reality is that developing or even porting games to OS4 is not going to generate much income and if you are a large company it's going to be a major expense with no possibility of recovering that expense.

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Re: Porting Games To Amiga os4/4.1 platforms
« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2008, 04:57:33 PM »
@giannis_va

I think you need to calm down and understand who the poster is, for 18 months under various names he's been evangelising how we the community should agree with him about how to save the amiga, his ideas include donating money to A.inc (personally i wouldn't give them the steam off my wee), spaming any company to get them to develop for what is commercially a dead platform, littering bus stop train stations supermarkets and anywhere where people gather with flying stating the amigas imminent return. He also stated if the community doesn't agree with him they should sell their gear and leave!!!

In all that time he still hasn't been able to fix his A1000's side car :- http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=27592
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http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=38624

We are talking about a classic case of the difference between his aspirations and abilities.

He has been banned twice for verbal attacks and breaking the posting guidelines.

So please do not advocate punches in the nose until you know the facts.

EDIT: well you shouldn't advocate violence under any circumstances.

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Re: Porting Games To Amiga os4/4.1 platforms
« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2008, 05:03:26 PM »
@ giannis_va

Forums lack the facial expressions that always go with vocal expression. Unfortunately, one without the other often ends up with comments like yours & the history on this Guy is probably fast approaching Ban number 3 already.

As Gaz has said above, you need to be aware about the facts before getting all fisty in a forum!  :-)

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...donating money to A.inc (personally i wouldn't give them the steam off my wee)


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Re: Porting Games To Amiga os4/4.1 platforms
« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2008, 05:27:54 PM »
@ Persia:

thats right, not everybody is in it for the money.

My colleague and I, are simply just wanting to try something different after hours, and as I am waiting for my SAM440ep with OS4.1 to arrive, we have already been looking at his A1200 project, although he always gets distracted on his a4000, again so tonight, but thats another matter.

As for my previous statement above, again, that was reality.

So why am I writing, out of courtesy to you persia, as what you just said I totally agree with, as this is one of my many hobbies.

Furthermore, I used to do a lot in the designing field, and my colleague used to, and still does do many things in c++, so it simply came about recently, that maybe we should try to create some games for the amiga.

It could have just as easily been for the mac platform, as my colleague also likes using this, but in the end he also likes amiga, and would like to see something new for it.

actually seriousy, i am almost invaded by linux and mac users at the moment with most of my friends, hahaha.

OK then, this is my last posting, as I am expecting WAYNE will delete this thread.
I asked for it to be deleted, but I think he wil see good reason to why i asked for it to be deleted, theres is no point in forcing a horse to drink water.

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Re: Porting Games To Amiga os4/4.1 platforms
« Reply #36 on: October 18, 2008, 05:43:23 PM »
Have to post to this guy, he is like an instigator or something?? constantly looking to pick on any new guys??

@ GazGod:

Dont want to fight.

But, I never mentioned anything about A.inc in this thread, and as far as I can remeber, cant think of even mentioning during any of my discussions, be it my threads or elsewhere??

Also, Im sure you wouldve noticed me mentioning acube and Hyperion, mmmm, let see, maybe its got to do with my hardware I ordered?

Nothing matters anymore, I feel this was a total waste of time, to come on here, and to try and do a survey of interest
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Re: Porting Games To Amiga os4/4.1 platforms
« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2008, 06:18:20 PM »
@Gebrochen

Getting back to your original post and why its such a POS:-

Ok then, YES I would be interested in new software, BUT what software are you proposing? There are many different users here and one thing you can guarantee is that they all have different interests whilst been under the common umbrella of Amiga enthusiasts. Myself I am an OS junkie and enjoy playing with OS's on a myriad of architectures and platforms.

ITS what software that's important, you can produce the greatest game, or paint package or midi sequencer or whatever and only a portion of the user base would be interested.

So saying yes to your original post whilst a no brainer is telling you, us, or any developer f**k all.

If you really want to gauge interest you need to poll one or more Amiga groups to see what the interest is in any particular area. AND then poll it to get specific interests in that area. You need to determine what is requires, what is superfluous, and what is a nice to have. Its called market research! Or you can develop what you require and hope others will be interested too.

Also you can guarantee that no one knows the size of the Amiga user base, there are many lone users that do not belong to this or any other web group or user group and just do there own thing.

So either think about the question you ask or expect to get a response like you got in this thread, or just STFU and go away. Personally I don't care which.

Yes it is a waste of time to open such a general thread, I hope some of the above points have made you realise why!!

And please no more ports of open source software that can be run on more easily on more powerful systems that are available much cheaper platforms. I haven't ordered a SAM to run software that my Linux boxen can run much faster.

Why should Wayne delete this thread just because you don't like the responses, I've found it very entertaining.  :lol:

Gaz

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Re: Porting Games To Amiga os4/4.1 platforms
« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2008, 08:31:12 PM »
Actually Gaz, I'm absolutely PMSL!  :lol:
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Re: Porting Games To Amiga os4/4.1 platforms
« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2008, 08:54:33 PM »
@Kin-Hell
Well if I've brightened up your day then my work here is done :)

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Re: Porting Games To Amiga os4/4.1 platforms
« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2008, 11:07:43 PM »
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There's nothing wrong with porting old games for now. For example, the writer of Virtual Grand Prix 2 expressed an interest in creating an Amiga OS 4.x port a few years ago. The original VGP was an Amiga game. I remember being amazed at what my lowly A1200 030 could do. Anyway, he might not have the time to port it himself, but someone might be able to convince him to let someone else port it.

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@Hans,

That's my whole point, Hans. Why isn't he supporting SpotUP and his porting for profits. Workbench is a *LONG* way away from getting World of Warcraft, blah blah. Everyone here is all hardcore about bounties, so why don't they all put their money where their mouth is. You want UT3, pay the license fee for a coder and ask them to port it. I'm sure Hyperion would gladly port a game, if someone paid the licenses for it.

SpotUP has posted about a lot of games he's ported, or helped port, but people here would whine about them, so why not pay him to port the next latest and greatest game?

Gerbochen (sp) is living in a fantasy if he thinks that a simple spamming of emails is going to make the game companies take a look at a smaller, niche market. It is ridiculous.

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Re: Porting Games To Amiga os4/4.1 platforms
« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2008, 11:34:52 PM »
@Methuselas

What's amazing about SpotUP is that he isn't really a coder. He just has an amazing ability to adapt makefiles and get all the dependencies working. He's learning, of course, but porting a big commercial game would be a bit beyond him.

Gebrochen sounds like he's actually going to have a go at creating something himself, together with a colleague. If so, I'm fine with that.

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Really? Isn't that what the Torque game engine and others like it are geared toward? The "Indie" developers. Interestingly, Torgue is produced by garagegames. It's just a pity that TGEA and their other newer engines are Direct-X only.

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Re: Porting Games To Amiga os4/4.1 platforms
« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2008, 11:45:55 PM »
Perhaps in the future an open source 3d engine could be ported for amiga os's like this one.

http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/screenshots-projects.html

Then the game building would be easier perhaps.


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Re: Porting Games To Amiga os4/4.1 platforms
« Reply #43 on: October 19, 2008, 01:30:13 AM »
Providing the tools necessary to develop games is one big part of this.  The other part is identifying you audience and working to satisfy their needs.  There must be reasons why we love to play 20 year old games over the current crop.  What are those reasons?

Games in the retro style taking advantage of the middle lower state of the art equipment that SAM provides would make a lot of Amigans happy and that's what it's all about.  

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Re: Porting Games To Amiga os4/4.1 platforms
« Reply #44 on: October 19, 2008, 01:53:40 AM »

Since there are so many great amiga games i my self would think it would be fun with sequels. Why not Ishar 4? or bloodwych NG. Or a diffrent Another world.
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