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Re: Catfight!! A3000T -vs- A4000T, no holds barred!!
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2008, 01:25:23 PM »
i'd take a 3k over a 4k anyday :)
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Re: Catfight!! A3000T -vs- A4000T, no holds barred!!
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2008, 02:33:57 PM »
A3000T - the last C= computer built without compromises!
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Re: Catfight!! A3000T -vs- A4000T, no holds barred!!
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2008, 03:14:21 PM »
Depends, does the 4000T have a quickpak o6o?  If so the 4000T hands down.

If the 4000T is an o4o and the 3000T is an o4o I say the 3000T.
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Re: Catfight!! A3000T -vs- A4000T, no holds barred!!
« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2008, 04:11:58 PM »
A3000T all the way man. It would crush the A4000T easily.  :-D
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Re: Catfight!! A3000T -vs- A4000T, no holds barred!!
« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2008, 04:53:58 PM »
@tone007

A4000T doesn't use a rechargeable battery, it uses button non-rechargeables so no corrossion is possible.

-A4000T SCSI controller is much better than A3000T too.
-A3000 doesn't have IDE controller.
-A4000T uses simms instead of expensive and hard to find ZIP ram.
-A4000T has AGA (useful for Scala, video stuff, games and demos... and you can't add AGA to an A3000T no matter how much money you invest)
-A4000T could include Quickpack 060 fast accelerators OOTB


The only advantage of A3000T is that it includes FlickerFixer. And that's all. Not a big problem as you can connect internal cheap scandoublers/flickerfixers.

If you can live without video stuff, games and demos you'd better switch to a next gen solution like Pegasos/Efika or Sam440/A1.

For me AGA is important. I own heavily upgraded A3000, A4000, A4000T... and I prefer having AGA. You can't watch most of demos released after 1994 on an A3000.
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Re: Catfight!! A3000T -vs- A4000T, no holds barred!!
« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2008, 08:04:40 PM »
Hmm. Ive seen alot of problems out of the SIMM sockets used on the A4000 motherboards, though I never personally experienced any problems with the A4000T. I've never seen any problem with the A3000T ZIPP sockets either, and mine came from the factory fully populated with 18megs, an A3640, the Ramsey 7/DMAC 4, and a blank footprint where the 68030/68882 would have been soldered on the motherboard.

The A4000T which I had for several years, I did not buy new, and the previous owner had already installed an 060/50mhz accelerator with 64megs of VERY-FAST ram. I believe the SCSI controller was also on the accelerator, but I could not swear to it at this point, as its been quite a few years...  I do remember that the system did have extremely good performance running Workbench 3.1 applications, especially when using graphics-card (CV-64) screen modes.. It really did "smoke the living dogsh!t" out of Wintels of many times it's processor clockspeed.

I never did alter the configuration of the A3000T. It was kind of a rare machine. It actually came from commodore with "A3000T-040" printed on the front panel. I sold this machine fairly recently (a couple of years ago). It's performance was roughly "on-the par" with some of the later 040/060 accelerated Macintosh machines.

Also, the A3000 scandoubler/de-interlacer is among the best overall quality Ive seen from such a device.

Anyone using either of the machines for any sort of serious application is most certainly going to have an accelerator, with memory of a much better performance spec than what's available on the motherboard or the Z-III bus. For the majority of High-end accelerators, the same can be said about the SCSI controller.  

As others have mentioned, the A3000T is truly "built like a tank," and I am partial to case designs that reflect the original Commodore Styling. Not to say the A4000T was not a really kewl case design in comparisson to other full tower PC/server cases of the same era.

I am also very partial to machines that have socketed chips. I have had to replace 8520s, Paulas, Serial line driver/reciever chips etc. on various AMIGA models through the years due to lightning strikes, power surges, careless plugging/unplugging of cables, etc.. So, SMT soldered chips is not really one of the better features of the A1200/A4000 series of AMIGAs..


Welp, I can't think of anything else to directly compare.. Truth is, I loved both machines, and only "let go of them" because I knew they'd get more use by the people I sold them to then I was giving them. (and I drastically needed the space they were occupying for other things)
 



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Re: Catfight!! A3000T -vs- A4000T, no holds barred!!
« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2008, 08:42:35 PM »
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Re: Catfight!! A3000T -vs- A4000T, no holds barred!!
« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2008, 11:24:57 PM »
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 Truth is, I loved both machines, and only "let go of them" because I knew they'd get more use by the people I sold them to then I was giving them. (and I drastically needed the space they were occupying for other things)
 





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Marriage will do that to you. ;) I have rather fond memories of the "Amiga Room".  :-D


[edit] - Ken, I always wanted that A3000T.  :getmad:
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Re: Catfight!! A3000T -vs- A4000T, no holds barred!!
« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2008, 11:26:50 PM »
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Why does everybody always need so much room? When I lived as a student in a chamber of 4x5meters I still had  room for a miggy AND a PC.


Eyso,

You never actually saw the "Amiga Room". I don't think there was anything in there, *EXCEPT* for Amigas. Ken ended up snagging a few of mine.  ;-)

Of course, I lost my A3000 right after that, so.....  :-(
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Re: Catfight!! A3000T -vs- A4000T, no holds barred!!
« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2008, 11:43:35 PM »
The A4000TB (Tower Block) would flatten both of them in a fight ;-)

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Re: Catfight!! A3000T -vs- A4000T, no holds barred!!
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2008, 12:57:03 AM »
Hello All,

Wow what a sight, seeing 6 4000's on top of each other!

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Re: Catfight!! A3000T -vs- A4000T, no holds barred!!
« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2008, 01:45:54 AM »
4000 hands down!!! AGA, need i say more.
 

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Re: Catfight!! A3000T -vs- A4000T, no holds barred!!
« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2008, 02:18:12 AM »
Assuming they are both stock out of the box, I'd go with the A4000T with it's 2 internal 24 BIT extended video expansion slots. This is the ultimate Video Toaster Flyer machine.

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Re: Catfight!! A3000T -vs- A4000T, no holds barred!!
« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2008, 04:35:09 AM »
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Assuming they are both stock out of the box, I'd go with the A4000T with it's 2 internal 24 BIT extended video expansion slots. This is the ultimate Video Toaster Flyer machine.
 


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Re: Catfight!! A3000T -vs- A4000T, no holds barred!!
« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2008, 05:37:06 PM »
Why the hell would anyone have 6 A4000s sitting like that?

For what possible reason??

They`re an endangered species.

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Re: Catfight!! A3000T -vs- A4000T, no holds barred!!
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