Could the current finacial crisis in the US influence the outcome of the Amiga ./. Hyperion case?

[impactor]

Noone will care about Amigas if we end up living in caves!

No-one said we would.  :-?  :lol:

[Colin_Camper]

rofl!

Amiga Inc and Hyperion together aren't as large financially as your average grocery store

lol!

Face it! Amiga Inc are gone.
It suits Penti to keep the shell alive with its $5000 per annum income.
But..... Hyperion (with nothing to lose) and Acube (with everything to gain) have taken a calculated risk that they can do what the hell they like and the comatoze Amafia Inc cannot do anything about it now.

Face it - How on Earth can Scamiga stop Hyperion/Acube without a SCO scale legal budget - it aint gonna happen! ROFL LOL Chortle!!!!!!!

[Dandy]

Piru wrote:

I just asked if this could be possible.

It is not possible.

Pentti Kouri (->Kouri-deals)

Or just think of the AInc(W)->ITEC->KMOS->MKOS->AInc(D) shell game...

 
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As to the A Inc shell game, do you have any evidence that a) it was illegal or that b) Pentti Kouri was involved?

I don't need an evidence, as I'm no judge or court.

I'm just a potential customer and as such all that counts is how I'm feeling about companies and/or their executives, when it comes to the question if I buy from a particular company or not.

And my feeling is:

a) It was illegal.
b) Pentti Kouri was involved, as he was sitting on the boards of various of the involved companies.

[Dandy]

persia wrote:

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Amiga Inc and Hyperion and their dispute over a few thousand dollars have zero effect on the current financial crisis which likely is in the trillions of dollars.  It's an issue of scale.  
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You must have misread me - I did not mean the AInc. vs. Hyperion dispute would affect the current global financial crisis - it was more to the contrary - that the current global financial crisis possibly could affect the outcome of the AInc. vs. Hyperion dispute.

My impression was that BEFORE the financial crisis there were quite a lot people that didn't care for such scams and tried to tell me that this is common business practice in the US.

Now its getting obvious where such business practices lead to and even a presidentship candidate promises to clean the US market from criminal managers.

I am hoping that now the public perception of such business practices in the US might change now from a shrugging "It's common business practise" to an angry "We have to fight such business practise with hard punishment".

With such a change in public perception it might even be possible that courts have a closer and more critical look at certain business practises and are more eager now NOT to let them get away with what they did - no matter if it's AInc. vs. Hyperion or M$ vs. IBM.

[Piru]

Now its getting obvious where such business practices lead to and even a presidentship candidate promises to clean the US market from criminal managers.

Don't hold your breath.

Good politician talks about whatever the public feels like is a pressing matter. This year it's economy.

With such a change in public perception it might even be possible that courts have a closer and more critical look at certain business practises and are more eager now NOT to let them get away with what they did

I find this very unlikely. If it would happen, it would thru new laws, not change in public perception.

As such it would only affect the new cases. It would have no effect on the current cases, such as Amiga Inc vs Hyperion.

[dammy]

Just thinking about those awfull neocon piranhas with McCain as head getting his hands on the US govermet, makes me feel a deep, deep despair. I TRULY hope you aren't THAT stupid...

You really need to educate yourself more on the current US political nightmare going on.  It's bad if McCain gets in, a nightmare if Obama gets in.  The idiots who caused this subprime hell (Freddie and Fanny corps) are apart of Obama's staff.  Forget the actual numbers, one made ~$90 million alone while at those hybred Government/Corporation by demanding to buy up subprime (50% holdings) morgages.  The disaster financial laws that are coming home to roost were done in 1999 and signed into law by Clinton (former US Sec of Labor Robert B Reich had already left the Clinton administration which Reich pointed out in a TV interview on what a disaster that law is).  The idiots who BLOCKED 13 reform bills (which Bush sent in via Republican congressmen) of Fanny/Freddie are still in charge of the congressional committees, and they belong to the Democrat Party.  Obama was a political activist for ACORN.  That ment he would sue any bank that did not give a minority a subprime loan.  

One of the reasons my company is headed offshore as fast as they can open new countries up to our product because there is no one going to clean up this mess and not make it worse. Obama's tax plan is going to cause a very deep recession starting in 2010 when it goes into effect.

This maybe good news for Hyperion, I don't know if AI can raise the VC like it could this time last year.  Although with the Stock Market being in the crapper, more VC may start to come to be.  As much as I can not stand McCain, I'll have to vote for him, I have way too much too lose in a bad Obama recession. :madashell:

Dammy

[Dandy]

Piru wrote:

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Good politician talks about whatever the public feels like is a pressing matter.

Yeah - but this politician talking about it means that the public actually feels that way.

Piru wrote:

With such a change in public perception it might even be possible that courts have a closer and more critical look at certain business practises and are more eager now NOT to let them get away with what they did

I find this very unlikely. If it would happen, it would thru new laws, not change in public perception.

Yeah - but wouldn`t a change in the public perception be a precondition for politicians to put new laws in place in a democracy (Or do you mean the US are no democracy?)?

As the public already actually feels this way so that politicians already talk about it, I would expect as the next logical step in a working democracy that the politicians put appropriate laws in place to prevent such things from happening again in the foreseeable future.

Piru wrote:

As such it would only affect the new cases. It would have no effect on the current cases, such as Amiga Inc vs Hyperion.

Sure?
Isn`t it true that a judge has some margin of discretion when deciding a matter - even in the US?

And as the judge also is part of "the public" in his spare time, it is not unlikely that his perception equally changed with the majority of "the public", which in turn could turn the balance whether he decides more to the lower end or more to the upper end of the range the laws provide.

So - I don`t find this very unlikely...

[trekiej]

I agree with Dammy.
Dammy for president.
Long live AROS, and other cool OSes.

 :-D

[Piru]

Sure?
Isn`t it true that a judge has some margin of discretion when deciding a matter - even in the US?

I bet they do.

The point is that it would be legally dubious if unrelated conditions (and in this case way after the actual incident happened!) would affect the verdict.

It won't happen.

[Piru]

@dammy

Please take that to coffee house. Thank you.

[Matt_H]

The only possible effect of the financial crisis I see on the case is that Amiga, Inc.'s phantom money dries up and they can't pay their lawyers.

[Dandy]

Matt_H wrote:

The only possible effect of the financial crisis I see on the case is that Amiga, Inc.'s phantom money dries up and they can't pay their lawyers.

Good point!

I know what you mean - although - my perception always was that AInc was always talking about money they actually didn't have.

If THAT is the "phantom money" you're talking about - how can money - that doesn't even exist - dry up?
 :roll: