OSX on a Mac Mini

[pixie]

@ TheMagicM:

Never heard of the hackintosh.. I take it its a x86 based system running OSX.

It's the official term.

[stefcep2]

TheMagicM wrote:
@odin:

Sorry man, I dont take crap from anyone.  If you throw some my way, I throw it right back.  Just because I'm a moderator does not mean I have to take what people say to me.  I speak my mind, sorry if it hurt anyones feelings.

I don't take any crap from anyone either, including moderators , thats why I said what I did.  BTW I'm not a salesperson, and if YOU and others think its OK to shop the way you do thats YOUR perogative, but that doesn't make it right or more worthy.  

Your role as the moderator is remove posts that don't meet posting guidelines, not posts you don't agree with it.  Sound like you might have missed your calling in Joe Stalins ministry.  

[TheMagicM]

@stefcep2:

my purpose in deleting posts like yours is because its bashing, off-topic and pointless.  If I hurt peoples or salespeople's feelings by not buying from their store, again, my choice and I dont care.  I've noticed quite often when users whine on this site or any Amiga site they see in their eyes that its "ok" to whine and complain and berate others.  As soon as a authority figure corrects them they complain of censorship.  I can only please one person per day, today is probably not your day.  Again, sorry.


@nine3o:


I havent played around with my VMWare session in quite some time.. I'll have to check it out.  I'll be pretty excited to see how my son adapts and uses this system.  He's pretty good using Garageband.

[stefcep2]

TheMagicM wrote:
@stefcep2:

my purpose in deleting posts like yours is because its bashing, off-topic and pointless.  If I hurt peoples or salespeople's feelings by not buying from their store, again, my choice and I dont care.  I've noticed quite often when users whine on this site or any Amiga site they see in their eyes that its "ok" to whine and complain and berate others.  As soon as a authority figure corrects them they complain of censorship.  I can only please one person per day, today is probably not your day.  Again, sorry.

This will be my last point on this.

Its not about hurting anybody's feelings but at the end of the day if you are going to use up their time and facilities without any intention of purchasing then be upfront about it:  Give them the choice to not bother serving you and even asking you to leave their store if they want. Thats fair.

Unfortunately your post exhibited a very low opinion of retail workers, and regrettably thats all too common. Not all salespeople lack knowledge and intelligence, only the bad ones. I recently needed an external USB DVD drive for my HP 2133 mininote just to install some other software that was on CD.  The salesperson suggested I use the dvd drive in my desktop pc, create a wireless network and mount the dvd drive on the mininote.  He did this for free and didn't sell me a USB DVD Drive. But I bought a wireless mouse instead -which I could get anywhere-because of his service.  Would I get that service from a hardware warehouse or online store?  Its not just about who's cheapest.

We are ALL in a sense salesman: we either sell our services to our employers/customers or goods that we make.  No-one likes to provide that for nothing.

[amigadave]

What a silly bunch of naive crap!  Don't even get me started, "Right" vs "Wrong", "Honest" vs "Dishonest"

It is all relative for most everything.  It is not like he went it and shot the salesman, then kicked him and took his wallet.  Very few retail outlets like the "Apple Store" pay their salespersons on commission any more and most salespersons would rather that you talk to them and give them something interesting to do, instead of brushing them off before you walk out and buy the item elsewhere.

TheMagicM might have a lot of faults one way or another, but what he did was neither "Right" or "Wrong" and all this fuss is ridiculous.

Back sort of on topic:  I bought my old PowerBook and later my MacBook at MacMall's online store after shopping at both there and the Apple online store looking for the best deal.  MacMall usually gives you a couple of extras since they can't charge a difference in the price of the Mac computer due to Apple's strict pricing rules.  If I had an Apple store close, I might have gone in to try them out before buying, so I guess I am evil too.

On the topic of OSX86 & Hackintosh's, I wanted to do that with my Dell XPS700, but was told that it did not have the right pieces to make it work so I gave up.  I need to look in to running OSX via VMWare of some kind, does anyone know the best place to look to get started in that direction?

By the way, my Dell XPS700 just died again, 2nd dead motherboard since I bought it new in the Summer of 2006.  Good thing I paid for the extended warranty, this "Top of the Line" Dell tower (at the moment I bought it) sure is a piece of crap. They are sending someone out to replace the mobo and PSU this time, but it will take 3 business days to get them here.  I told the claim person that I had other computers that are over 20 years old that are still working without any troubles and he said that newer computers are more likely to have problems because they are more complex, like that is just a fact of life and I should accept that newer things are going to break and not complain about it.  Great company philosophy, it's new tech, so expect it to only last a year before it breaks.

I will never buy a Dell again.  If I could get any money for it, I would sell it and buy myself an Intel Mac desktop, maybe a nice 24" iMac to run the occasional Windows program I need and run OSX for most everything else (except my AmigaOS/MorphOS fix that I need daily of course).

[motorollin]

I'm sure Apple would prefer people to come in to the shop, have a look around, then buy a product from anywhere. They still get the same mark-up on the product, so it makes no difference to them. If I went in to *any* shop to have a look at the products and was asked to leave then I would make a point of never buying anything from that company.

The Apple Store is a showroom for Apple's products. It is designed to be an interactive experience so people can try before they buy. Yes this costs Apple money in leasing the building, furnishing it and staffing it, but this is an investment. You only have to look at Apple's profits to see that it's not exactly doing them any harm.

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moto

[StormLord]

I have built yesterday my 5th hacintosh. I have to say that bulding a hacintosh is not as easy as it sounds..
no every component is supported, even if it is supported with patches its not always stable.
even if the chipset of the component is "Supported" the implementation if its different then its not working correctly. you have to realy dig compatible parts tested from users form osx86project and its difficult to find them in stores.
So the only way to have a hacintosh is to build a specific computer for osx86 and have it as a pc for windows also and not the other way around.
Also do not expect the stability of any hacintosh as any real mac, or the comforts you have with an apple hardware to boot from any device you want internal or external that gives you the ability to service it as easy and fast if something goes wrong. and last but not least having a hacintosh with the same specs as a real mac the hacintosh will also be a bit slower, not much but a bit about 5-10%.
Also for people that want POWER try to build a hacintosh with macpros specs and then compute the costs, not only you will ended up with something more expensive for the same speed but you will have also something not so stable and in cheap mess cases, nothing to compare about quality and design of construction of apple products. Just watch the design of the airflow of macpros and you will understand.

so hacintoshes is OSX for poor men, but as most things in life, you get what you pay.

[Flashlab]

@StormLord

I'm afraid I have to disagree a bit with you here... Yes, a hackintosh is harder to maintain than a real Mac but I have two hackintoshes and they are stable and all running vanilla software updated to 10.5.5. It is true that you need to collect your hardware carefully but once you do it's as fast as the real thing and a heck of a lot cheaper. Payed under 1000 euros for a machine that's faster than the Mac Pro of that time.

For me it wasn't about the money either; I mainly run Windows on my machines, but the challenge.  It made me decide that my next laptop will be Apple though, but for now my hackbook Acer Aspire will do fine (which was also a lot cheaper than the MacBook Pro with the same specs).

[spihunter]

I wouldnt recommend a Hackintosh to someone who is new to the Mac or is not very computer savvy.

You cant do automatic updates and getting certian pieces of hardware to run takes work.

[odin]

@themagicm:
It's not about hurting anyone's feelings, it's about a moderator losing his patience and control.

Ofcourse how the is run is completely at the owner's and staff's discretion.

[nine3o]

@StormLord

I have to disagree with you.  I am on the same page with Flashlab, I'm running 10.5.5 and this system is as stable as my Mac Mini was, never crashed.  I dual boot this machine into Vista 64 bit and the amount of times Vista has BSD'd on me compared to my hackintosh since I built it in Feb is something like 34 to 0.

I do agree with you in terms of if you want to build a Dual Xeon CPU power house, you can not build a machine cheaper than a real Mac Pro, BUT if you want something that is much faster than a Mac Mini or iMac, nothing will beat a Quad Core Hackintosh in terms of price.

@spihunter

Your right in terms of a hackintosh not being a good start for someone that is new to Mac's (or Unix) that's why the Mac Mini is a great start for TheMagicM.  But since EFIX has been released, automatic OS updates work perfectly (not speaking from personal experience but from all the reviews I have read on Tomshardware and the InsanelyMac forums) so now even newbies can build a hackintosh with ease for an extra $130

When it's time for me to upgrade my laptop (later on this year or early 2009), I will be purchasing a Macbook Pro.

[uncharted]

Wow, after reading this thread I had to double check the URL wasn't arsehole.org!

Some people definitely need to chill out and not take the Interwebs so seriously.

[kolla]

Wow - now I had to check out arsehole.org - wow!

[Argo]

I've go no issue with MagicM's post about moderating these members. Their off the topic, hostle in tone, and can't see it any other way. I agree with a few that posted in support of MagicM. It's shopping, purchase at where you get the best deal. So one place lets you kick the tires. It does not obligate you to purchase the item from them. They have to provide the best deal economically.