Good News Is Here (OS 4.1&SAM440 amigakit.com)

[persia]

As to what happens in the court case it's hard to say.  The original contract with Amiga Inc/Amino had an insolvency clause and as Amino was deregistered as a company it would seem to be satisfied.  The only reason Amino didn't completely collapse earlier was because of the questionable tactic of transferring assets to a shell (KMOS).  

It's further complicated by the original Amiga Inc's deal being a license rather than an ownership and that the AMiga name and IP (if any remains) still belongs to Gateway.

Even if KMOS/Amiga Inc win there is a clear argument that Hyperion has a reasonable belief that the Insolvency clause was broken and that will have to be mitigated.

Bottom line, my heart hopes for Hyperion win, my mind says their will be a complicated settlement that will only lead to more court cases until both KMOS and Hyperion have spent their wads on lawyers..

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[TheMagicM]

@xeron:

Thats not what I meant by there isnt any software.  Thats ported software, some new apps.. I'm talking quite a few commercial companies putting out software that would justify spending that kind of money.


The sad part is, no matter what you throw out there, its always underpowered and overpriced.


OS4.x fans:

But hey, not to rain on OS4 fans, good for you guys.  I'm glad.  Now that there looks like you might have hardware to run 4.1 on, QUIT YOUR CRYING AND BUY IT.

-=Alex

[persia]

The sad part is that, for late 2008 it is drastically underpowered and heavily over priced.  There's no getting around it, from an economic perspective it makes no sense.

But..., Amiga buyers are not, by definition, based in reality or at least 2008/9 reality.  I'm sorely tempted, even given the low power/price ratio, to sell off my old Motorola based Amigas and replace them with a single SAM.  It's small, if I buy the psile case I can have Amiga printed on the top and I don't need special monitors to use it, any common dvi one will do!

I can convince the missus that way too.  "Look honey I'm getting rid of the ugly crts and big boxes,  I'll just have the MacPro for work and the Amiga/SAM for fun,  I promise "

[Gebrochen]

@ Hans:

THank you for that informative information.
Shall buy a Radeon 9250 then, I suppose.

@ All:
are many of us getting the aladdin 4d package from Discreet fx?? Maybe they can make us a special deal for Amiga.org?? THe more buyers, the cheaper it gets??

Cheers.

Oh and, while im on software, can anyone tell me if Image fx 4.5 is good enough to be a standalone design package, or should I get candy factory or art effect 4 also??

 :-D   :-o   :crazy:   :ponder:  :lotsacoffee:

[Hammer]

AeroMan wrote:

I would take my time porting to PS3 and/or XBox. It would be easier to do, and more powerful than x86.

As for "more powerful than x86", PS3 is a road kill against AMD based PC (i.e. AMD GAME!(1) reference platform i.e. AMD Radeon HD (stream processor array) + AMD Phenom (command prcoessor).

Refer to http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38145/135/
Real time raytracing the Transformers movie teaser trailers.

Let's see STI CELL matches AMD Radeon HD 2900/3800/4600/4800 raytracing.

Game for PS3 vs AMD PC debate?

Sony PS3 Fold@Home  = 900 PPD
NV Geforce 8600M GT Fold@Home GPU2 = 1135 PPD (AMD Radeon HD 3650 scores similar points).

1. "AMD GAME!" refers to AMD's "Centrino" for desktop PC market.

[Gebrochen]

@ All

Just in case some of you didnt know,

the ATI RADEON Mobility M9 with 64mb RAM graphic chip

is running at 66Mhz.

Cheers.

 8-)  8-)  :evilgrin:  :inquisitive:

[Painkiller]

Hammer wrote:

AeroMan wrote:

I would take my time porting to PS3 and/or XBox. It would be easier to do, and more powerful than x86.

As for "more powerful than x86", PS3 is a road kill against AMD based PC (i.e. AMD GAME!(1) reference platform i.e. AMD Radeon HD (stream processor array) + AMD Phenom (command prcoessor).

Refer to http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38145/135/
Real time raytracing the Transformers movie teaser trailers.

Let's see STI CELL matches AMD Radeon HD 2900/3800/4600/4800 raytracing.

Game for PS3 vs AMD PC debate?

Sony PS3 Fold@Home  = 900 PPD
NV Geforce 8600M GT Fold@Home GPU2 = 1135 PPD (AMD Radeon HD 3650 scores similar points).

1. "AMD GAME!" refers to AMD's "Centrino" for desktop PC market.

You do realize that you are now comparing cpu against gpu? There isn't currently a CPU in the PC market that would match CELL's speed. Oh well maybe one of the fastest quad core processors could now match its speed, but still it is a mighty powerfull processor that is combined with a fast gpu. The system kind of works like dual-gpu system, developers are able to off load many tasks from gpu to cpu etc.

[Gebrochen]

@ All

Wow people, work this one out for yourselfs,

600 euro 667 Sam with that case Nexus,

99 Euro for os4.1

90 Euro UPS = express Post

then add about 32 euro for some type of tax thing. CRAZY!!

Cheers.  :crazy:  :sealed:  :furious:

They couldve made the SAM440ep packaged with OS4.1 cheaper

 :-D  :love:  :flame:
things we do for the LOVA of an AMIGA system(outdated or not)

 :cry:

Now calcuate that for AUD dollars, and you'll understand the INSANity of my passion.

 8-)

[jorkany]

Trev,

I know, and I think it was a mistake to stick with PowerPC in the first place. Of course, what's to prevent them from porting the operating environment to an existing kernel on another platform?

Just think about who created the ExecNG kernel, and that answers this question.

[Hans_]

Gebrochen wrote:
@ All

Just in case some of you didnt know,

the ATI RADEON Mobility M9 with 64mb RAM graphic chip

is running at 66Mhz.

Cheers.

 8-)  8-)  :evilgrin:  :inquisitive:

Correction: It is connected to the system via a 66 MHz PCI bus. The clock-speed of the graphics chip is probably higher.

Hans

[THX1138]

@AmigaKit.com

If I pre-ordered a Sam440 board,when would you take payment from my debit card ?

Straight away or when its dispatched ?

[CLS2086]

will there be an official member of A. INC, which ask the police to seize these """counterfeited""" OS ?
(no license = counterfeiting)

Stay tuned !

[AeroMan]

Hammer wrote:

AeroMan wrote:

I would take my time porting to PS3 and/or XBox. It would be easier to do, and more powerful than x86.

As for "more powerful than x86", PS3 is a road kill against AMD based PC (i.e. AMD GAME!(1) reference platform i.e. AMD Radeon HD (stream processor array) + AMD Phenom (command prcoessor).

Refer to http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38145/135/
Real time raytracing the Transformers movie teaser trailers.

Let's see STI CELL matches AMD Radeon HD 2900/3800/4600/4800 raytracing.

Game for PS3 vs AMD PC debate?

Sony PS3 Fold@Home  = 900 PPD
NV Geforce 8600M GT Fold@Home GPU2 = 1135 PPD (AMD Radeon HD 3650 scores similar points).

1. "AMD GAME!" refers to AMD's "Centrino" for desktop PC market.

Just take into account that the PS3 is the best cost benefit solution available. Can you buy a bunch of GPUs  and make them work for the same price?

Besides this, the PS3 still has a blue ray, and really cool games.

I can´t think about a better port. Price is nice, performance is nice, it has nice games, can run Linux (if you wish) and it is already PPC. You might not like the PPC, but OS4 is already written for it, so it means porting is easier than to x86.

If you want to stick with x86, them supporting AROS is a better alternative. It is already running with this processor and it is free also. Give it a try

[Trev]

@jorkany

I guess that could be interpreted multiple ways, but considering Hyperion's history with Linux....

@CLS2086

Counterfeiting? No. Copyright infringement? Perhaps. Trademark infringement? Perhaps. Breach of contract? Perhaps.

@AeroMan

Yes, sir. The PS3 could (should!) be the platform of choice for 0S4. Hyperion and the community would gain the benefits of volume purchasing essentially for free.

That leaves ACube in a hard place, but if they're brought in to manage the boot loader and hardware abstraction (assuming this is their thing), then everyone wins. ACube can still push custom hardware and OS4 on the industrial market. There's also the matter of display performance. Access to the PS3's display hardware is managed by the hypervisor, so there would still be a market for Amiga users wanted high-performance graphics solutions.

@all

AMD is having difficulty keeping up with the Joneses. Intel and nVidia are definitely the price/performance leaders.

[Nlandas]

   I think that the price is fair based on the market. We'd all love a $500USD killer Amiga that ran OS 4.1 and had specs closer to current PCs but that isn't likely to happen. Maybe if we all keep dreaming, someday it will but not right now.

This is new hardware with USB, PCI, DDR, VGA, SATA , LAN that runs our beloved OS - AmigaOS 4.1. I can understand that we can't all afford it out of the gate for a hobby but it is a really welcome thing for the community. I mean come on it's new hardware that runs OS 4.1. People have been spending upwards of $1200USD for old PPC accelerators to run it and now you can get a whole computer for less.

My only problem  right now is the weak US dollar. Otherwise, I'd be all over the Versailia MB+OS computer with case and PS. 744.89 EURO - $1096.25 is a little over what I can do.  I will start saving and look at selling some of my classic hardware.

One question:

   I hadn't read and didn't have time to Google. Does OS 4.1 somehow emulate 68K or are you only able to run native PPC code? Which would mean even old system friendly 68K applications wouldn't run on it.

One more way to think of it -

USD
Used Amiga 4000D - $400
PPC Accelerator -  $1100+
USB DENEB -        $209
Amiga OS 4.1 -     $183
Indivision AGA -   $189
PCI? - ELBOX MEDIATOR?
SATA? != fastata4000    

Need I go on? How much would it cost to equip an classic Amiga with comparable hardware? Many of us are willing to do this but not willing to spend $1096.25 on a new system with OS 4.1?

I understand those that are only on WinUAE and left the hardware scene behind and I understand not coming back but those of us still buying hardware. This is a really viable option for those looking to run OS 4.1 and I for one am very excited by having the option available.

-Nyle

EDIT: Oh, and it has a clock battery that doesn't leak.  :-D

[klx300r]

 @ Nlandas

well put :bow: