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Interest check: An updated MiniITX-MiniMig ( Pics!!! )
« on: August 09, 2008, 08:57:33 PM »
The MiniITX-MiniMig project did generate some cashback for me as I was able to sell off two of the prototypes. I also got requests to make more of them. But as the the prototypes does contain some errors I have started to correct these and do some major changes at the same point, making a version 2 of the board, suitable for production. For the original design, please have a look at my web page (www.illuwatar.se).

This thread is about asking for interest to make a larger run of boards. To create an order, at least 10 boards must be ordered to keep the price at a decent level. A initial run of 10 boards will cost at least €250, going for 25 boards will be €345.


Above corrections, following things will be modified or changed:

* The PIC18LF452 will be changed to a DIP-version, making it easier to reprogram in case of failed bootloader (or own development). The ISP-connector will be removed as it is useless when the PIC runs at 3.3V (it can't be erased and reprogrammed). The PIC18LF452 is a larger but 100% compatible version of the 18LF252 used in Dennis design, adding more I/O-pins for future enhancement.

Maybe even change to a PIC18LF4520 as the 452 is marked as "Mature Product" by Microchip.

* All connectors will be moved to the rear of the PCB as it should on a MiniITX. I managed to source what I need to pull this off at DigiKey.

* The LCD-connector will be removed - it was just that stupid idea I got sometimes. A generic header will be available for access to the added ports from the larger PIC. They are free for whatever fun You can think of.

* SD-slot moved to the board front. For off-board connection of a SD-holder, a pin-header will be available to connect to a break-out board with a SD-holder. Nothing should be at the board sides that needs external access.

* Changed several 1206 to 0805 - they aren't much harder to solder but it is easier to optimize the design with smaller parts.

* Improved ESD-protection at joysticks and PS/2-connectors.


What will NOT be changed:

* The form factor - it is still MiniITX.

* The color (of course it will be flat black).

* The core functions - it will still be 100% compatible with the Original MiniMig and it uses the same core parts (memories, FPGA, CPU & clock generator).

* 2-layer board, basically if you are skilled and have the tools, you can make one yourself.

* Integrated regulators - no need for a hard-to-find 5V PSU. Take whatever you have that gives out 9 - 15V DC.

* The S-Video/C-Video outputs and the buffered line-out audio. The buffered VGA contains a flaw in the current design that will be corrected. When done, three video outputs are available in the 15kHz mode (in VGA-mode/31kHz, the converter does not work - it is a limit in the AD724), showing the same picture simultaneous (good for demos at gathering).


Please note that this is not a build for a future MiniMig (there are others doing that) so I will not implement features like USB or larger FPGA. I will just take the nice design made by Dennis and move it into the easy accessible world of PC by using the MiniITX form factor.
 

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Re: Interest check: An updated MiniITX-MiniMig
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2008, 09:11:51 PM »
This sounds great.
1. Did you make a pico version some time ago?

2.Could a LCD version be made for a Mini-Mig PDA? (Removing the 12 bit D/A conversion)

3. I am interested in buying a board this fall.

4. Keep up the good work.

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Re: Interest check: An updated MiniITX-MiniMig
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2008, 09:58:24 PM »
Have a look at the hardware flaws I found:
http://www.opencircuits.com/Minimig_Board_v1.0_issues

Esp, the SD/MMC "or"-gate.

@trekiej: It seems the ASus Eee PC 7" TFT screen can be had for 84 EUR (including VAT) and it works with a digital parallell RGB interface. So it would fit directly on the Minimig video output. Provided sync rates are taken into account. So if the resistor D/A colour and sync signals get some solder pads it's easy to attach the 7" flat display. The 9" seems work in the same way.
 

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Re: Interest check: An updated MiniITX-MiniMig
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2008, 10:08:00 PM »
Thank you for that link - I will look through that one.

Regarding the LCD-interface - are You meaning that you will have direct access to the FPGA pins used for the video DAC? It could be done by placing a pin header just in front of the resistors. Just skip the resistors at the board and you will have an additional 14 FPGA I/O for your own joy.

Edit: do you have a link to where to buy these screens? It could solve the issue making that portable MiniMig I'm thinking of.
 

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Re: Interest check: An updated MiniITX-MiniMig
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2008, 10:53:13 PM »
I think I have to make a distinction. Usually "LCD" means black/grey screns like the ones on wristwatches. TFT are the popular colour ones used today.

A pin header might be good. Just make sure it's possible to easily desolder the pin header. Because it might cause EMI. Esp if there's any stubs, ie the resistor D/A versus pin header. Electronics is tricky ;)

Asus Eee TFT screen link:
http://www.asusparts.eu/index.php?cPath=1880_1886_1892_2370
 

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Re: Interest check: An updated MiniITX-MiniMig
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2008, 11:14:43 PM »
Interesting stuff. Shame it is not possible to add larger SRAM.

As for LCD panel, the Spartan III has LVDS I/O so it should be possible to create HDL to drive any old laptop LCD panel directly...
 

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Re: Interest check: An updated MiniITX-MiniMig
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2008, 11:27:10 PM »
@illuwatar
I take it you are sampling interest for an unpopulated board?
 
Since the price you are quoting goes up with more boards(if it was a per board price it would go down with more boards)
 
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Re: Interest check: An updated MiniITX-MiniMig
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2008, 11:36:36 PM »
The price examples are totals - for a board price, divide it with the board number. More boards are of course cheaper per unit.

My idea is to primary sell bare PCB as these are rather tedious to hand-build. These two I sold (complete, tested boards) went for €300 each.

A TFT is basically a LCD too, just a different way to control the pixels...

The header does not have to be a 2.54 mm spacing, hole mount part. I could use a SMD connector with tighter spacing if it would improve the EMI-part. Or just a line of pads with 1.27 mm spacing...
 

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Re: Interest check: An updated MiniITX-MiniMig
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2008, 01:54:02 AM »
@ illuwatar:
If you go to www.parallax.com they have the yOLED display.
These are about 2.5 inch diagonal and have only 5 wires.
They also have 64k color and a SD card slot.

http://www.parallax.com/Store/Accessories/Displays/tabid/159/CategoryID/34/List/0/Level/a/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName,ProductName

I would like to have a 68K PDA or pocket Amiga. PAM :) SD card is fine for a PDA.
As for Mini-Itx it is an okay form factor to me. I wish it had an IDE slot for HD or Compact Flash. It could be a wonderful Media Device, just do not call it Medi. :)

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Re: Interest check: An updated MiniITX-MiniMig
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2008, 03:42:02 AM »
@ freqmax :
Thanks for the link. It would make for a cool Amiga.
 
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Re: Interest check: An updated MiniITX-MiniMig
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2008, 04:35:01 AM »
A socket for the CPU could mean upgrades.
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Re: Interest check: An updated MiniITX-MiniMig
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2008, 05:38:36 AM »
Socket = EMI issues. Better to have an FPGA with more logics. Which makes it possible with softcore 68020+AGA etc..
I think however this is just a bugfix version. Rather than the next step.
And larger FPGA means BGA at this point (except for XC3S500E).
 

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Re: Interest check: An updated MiniITX-MiniMig
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2008, 08:57:41 AM »
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freqmax wrote:
Usually "LCD" means black/grey screns like the ones on wristwatches. TFT are the popular colour ones used today.

TFT is a type of LCD.
 

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Re: Interest check: An updated MiniITX-MiniMig
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2008, 09:06:56 AM »
It is a good start for improvement of the minimig. However I would only be interested when write support is added to the code along with other improvements already suggested numerous times by other people.
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Re: Interest check: An updated MiniITX-MiniMig
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2008, 11:25:02 AM »
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tonyyeb wrote:
It is a good start for improvement of the minimig. However I would only be interested when write support is added to the code along with other improvements already suggested numerous times by other people.


Has anyone heard or read about write support working yet?  

I thought the same coder who was working on full ECS support and had completed some kind of NTSC 60Hz display work-around had implemented the write support, but then I have not heard or seen anything about it since.

Was it Yaqube, or something like that?
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