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Re: My A500+ Project
« Reply #164 from previous page: August 27, 2008, 12:34:57 PM »
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I am soon going crazy! :crazy: :-) How can I make sure it is compatible unless I buy all the staff and actually test it!?

Eh? You GOOGLE and check out the Amiga forums. You wont be the first. I think you'll be surprised how many Amigans have gone before you. A few searches of EAB and A.ORG and you've usually got your answer. Or you email ACard directly with the brand & model numbers of the adapters.

But if you already have an SD card and you do not have a CF card, at those prices then perhaps you just go for it ;-)

But prepared to go the CF route if it doesn't work.
 

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Re: My A500+ Project
« Reply #165 on: August 27, 2008, 02:04:05 PM »
@alexh

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Or at those prices just risk it

I go for that option.
And i said SHOULD...
I did not say it WILL....
Sadly, with amiga and hardware like that it is often trial and error...
Amiga 1200 Tower Os 3.9
BPPC 603e+ 040-25/200, 256MBram, BVIsionPPC, Indivision AGA MK2.
Amiga 2000 (rev 4.0) Os 1.2/1.3
2088 bridgeboard, 2MB ram card, 2091 SCSI.
Amiga 500+ Os 2.1
Derringer 030, 32MBram, Buddha in sidecar, Indivision ECS.
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Re: My A500+ Project
« Reply #166 on: August 27, 2008, 05:55:39 PM »
Hi again,

I am back home now and did some testing. As I may have already said earlier in this thread I have an IVS Grandslam 500 with inside it an IVS Grandslam 2000 card with 2Mb fast RAM.

Long time ago this hard drive no longer continued working! I now re-connected it as it was. When I switched on my A500+ I could hear the Hard Drive spinning. I used the Workbench 3.1 disk to see if workbench could see the 2Mb fast RAM and Workbench could not see the 2Mb fast RAM. I removed the hard disk and tried it alone and still Workbench did not recognise the fast RAM.

I guess the whole IVS Grandslam 2000 card has gone then right? If so I would need another SCSI control card to connect with the spare   Zorro II slot I have before I can buy a SCSI to IDE converter!
 

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Re: My A500+ Project
« Reply #167 on: August 27, 2008, 08:25:04 PM »
Information i can find:
Grandslam
Trumpcard professional 2000
In short...
Check the jumper for ram and see if it is in the right position.
You may need to add commands in the startup-sequence to make the system see the ram...
Amiga 1200 Tower Os 3.9
BPPC 603e+ 040-25/200, 256MBram, BVIsionPPC, Indivision AGA MK2.
Amiga 2000 (rev 4.0) Os 1.2/1.3
2088 bridgeboard, 2MB ram card, 2091 SCSI.
Amiga 500+ Os 2.1
Derringer 030, 32MBram, Buddha in sidecar, Indivision ECS.
Amiga CD32
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Re: My A500+ Project
« Reply #168 on: August 27, 2008, 10:56:46 PM »
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You may need to add commands in the startup-sequence to make the system see the ram...

How is this done? I do not mean the actual commands I need for this particular hard drive ... more in general of how you can add commands in the startup sequence :)
 

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Re: My A500+ Project
« Reply #169 on: August 27, 2008, 11:46:16 PM »
you must have a text editor tool. and use it to edit the file called "startup-sequence" in the "s" directory on the disk used to boot workbench. either floppy or hard disk.
In the newly purchased OS 3.1 and 2.1 there is a tool called "ed" in the c directory.
It is a simple and easy editor...

EDIT: wrong folder at first...

EDIT: oh.. to use it. boot wb press right amiga key and "e" as in Execute. (english keyset!) And type "ed s:startup-sequence" in the popupwindow.
And so on and so forth...
Amiga 1200 Tower Os 3.9
BPPC 603e+ 040-25/200, 256MBram, BVIsionPPC, Indivision AGA MK2.
Amiga 2000 (rev 4.0) Os 1.2/1.3
2088 bridgeboard, 2MB ram card, 2091 SCSI.
Amiga 500+ Os 2.1
Derringer 030, 32MBram, Buddha in sidecar, Indivision ECS.
Amiga CD32
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Re: My A500+ Project
« Reply #170 on: August 28, 2008, 12:25:18 AM »
Thanks I'll try that .. I will try and find how to configure it although I am most afraid that the scsi controller on the Grandslam is dead (since in the past the RAM was recognised and I do not remember changing any jumper settings). Thanks again :)
 

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Re: My A500+ Project
« Reply #171 on: August 28, 2008, 11:22:28 AM »
Trail and error.
But remember to BACK UP the files you are working on. in case you mess up... :-D
Amiga 1200 Tower Os 3.9
BPPC 603e+ 040-25/200, 256MBram, BVIsionPPC, Indivision AGA MK2.
Amiga 2000 (rev 4.0) Os 1.2/1.3
2088 bridgeboard, 2MB ram card, 2091 SCSI.
Amiga 500+ Os 2.1
Derringer 030, 32MBram, Buddha in sidecar, Indivision ECS.
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Re: My A500+ Project
« Reply #172 on: August 29, 2008, 10:08:32 AM »
Hi,

Since my 2Gb hard disk in the GVP drive still works fine; what if I connect this hard disk to the PC? Would WinUAE or equivalent recognise this as an Amiga hard disk and allow me to build my environment like that?

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Sim085
 

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Re: My A500+ Project
« Reply #173 on: August 29, 2008, 10:55:11 AM »
Yes, WinUAE works great with real Amiga hard disks.
Do you have a SCSI controller in your PC ?
A500+/KS3.1/GVPA530/2MbChipRam+8MbFastRAM 2GbCF/YAMAHA CDRW
 

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Re: My A500+ Project
« Reply #174 on: August 29, 2008, 11:19:13 AM »
I do not have one but my cousin does; so I was hoping to get his and try it with the GVP hard disk I have.

btw - how can I know what type of SCSI hard disk to I have. Because he told me there are different type of SCSI hard drives (connector wise).
 

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Re: My A500+ Project
« Reply #175 on: August 29, 2008, 11:36:16 AM »
You have a Narrow SCSI (IDC 50 pin) hard drive.

The other two are :

(Fast/Ultra) Wide SCSI (SCA 68-pin)
(Ultra2/U160/U320/U640) Wide SCSI (SCA-2 80-pin)
 

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Re: My A500+ Project
« Reply #176 on: August 29, 2008, 11:51:09 AM »
Thank alexh,

I will see if it is anyone of those 3. If I cannot identify it then I'll take photos and post them here :) Thank you.

I still plan to build/test that scsi -> ide -> sd prototype but connecting the SCSI to PC will give me some results more quickly :) (I hope).
 

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Re: My A500+ Project
« Reply #177 on: August 29, 2008, 11:59:31 AM »
As I said, your hard drive will be narrow SCSI (IDC50). Almost all Amiga SCSI drives ARE narrow SCSI (IDC50).



AFAIK the only Amiga SCSI with a different connector is the Cyberstorm MKIII/PPC which has an Ultra Wide SCSI (SCA 68-pin)
 

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Re: My A500+ Project
« Reply #178 on: October 09, 2008, 04:41:04 PM »
Here is my A500+ specs:

2 megs chipram (soldered on motherboard)
Derringer 68030@50mhz 68882@50mhz 32megs 32bit fastram
Supra 500XP+ with 300meg SCSI drive and 2megs 16bit fastram

First of all, when considering a 68000 socket mounted accelerator, there are some definite mounting issues to consider. Most of these type of accelerators (the derringer included) have no provision for securing the card other than sitting in the 68000 socket and possibly having some rubber feet that rest against the motherboard. To make matters worse, there is very little (if any) clearance between the top of the accelerator and the keyboard assembly. If you dont have a VERY GOOD TIGHT connection where the pins of the accelerator plug into the 68000 socket, then anything from a moderate bump of the computer desk to vigorous typing on the keyboard can cause all manners of gurus, system lockups, spontaneous system resets, and general operational flakiness. I was able to fabricate a plastic bracket that bolts over the 68000 socket, and maintains moderate downward pressure on the Derringer, keeping it firmly seated in the 68000 socket, but there is barely room for this, and it took quite some work (half a day) to carve this thing out of plastic in exactly the shape it needed to be. It bolts to the 2 motherboard screw holes that are on either side of the sidecar expansion bus connector.

Secondly, with this type of accelerator, there is no room underneath it for a kickstart switcher board to reside in the rom socket. Some manufacturers have made kickstart switcher boards that hang on the end of a long ribbon cable (which in turn plugs into the ROM socket) for this purpose. I dont like the idea of hanging my system ROMs on the end of 8 inches of ribbon cable. I dont think this is a good step forward in the way of system stability.

For an A500 (or any OCS/ECS machine) it is often advantageous to be able to boot with Kickstart 1.3. Most of the floppy based games/demos that run best on these machines expect Kickstart 1.3. Kickstart "degrader" utilities work in some cases, but not all.  

There are two possible solutions to this. First, you can put a 1.3 kickrom in the rom socket, and just employ a "soft-kicker" in your startup sequence on your hardisk. This way, when booting from floppies, you have kickstart 1.3, and when booting from the hardisk, the 3.1 kickstart image is loaded into a 512k chunk of fastram which is then remapped as the system ROM, allowing Workbench 3.1/3.9 to load and run correctly. I have done this in the past with many AMIGA systems, and it even works rather well with a stock 68000, despite the absence of an MMU. Unfortunately, I am unable to find a softkicker that works correctly using the Derringer's fastram.

The second possibility is to burn BOTH kickstart images onto a 1 megabyte EPROM and hook a switch between the highest adress line and ground, allowing it to "float hi" when the switch is open. This takes no more physical space than a standard Kickstart ROM, and allows you to switch between the upper and lower 512k of the EPROM (on which you will have your 1.3 and 3.1 kickstart images burned, respectively). I would like to avoid having to do this if possible, but so far it seems to be the only alternative.

Lastly, I'll say that the 2 megs of 16bit fastram which resides on the Supra Controller does work with MANY "soft-kicker" programs, but I have this ram disabled because it does not work (hangs the system on reset/bootup) with the Derringer installed. Also, I'd like to avoid using 16bit fastram if possible, for obvious performance reasons.

Anyone dealt with this issue before? Can you reccomend a softkicker that works using Derringer 32-bit fastram?

Anyone know of someone who makes custom dual-kickstart EPROMs? I do own MANY original kickroms of both the 1.3 and 3.1 variety, so there are no legality/licensing issues here.

Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks.


 

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Re: My A500+ Project
« Reply #179 on: October 10, 2008, 09:31:39 AM »
@ Metalguy66

I have a Derringer 030 myself. It is the 50mhz version, modified with a 50mhz fpu (was 25 originally).
I have never had those instability issues you refer to.
Mine sits quite firmly in the cpu socket.

As far as kickstart switches go. i have not come to that yet. I am still in the lookout zone for parts.
Need a new Zorro based SCSI or IDE controller. Will also try to install a network card inside the trumpcard (if i can find one small enough.)
However i have a dedicated A500 with kick 1.3 for games and demos requiring that. It is also a OCS machine whilst the 500+ is ECS...
In future i will pay some attention for the 1.3 A500 as well. But first up is the A500+.
Then i will try to setup my A1200 to work properly with the BVision board. Then the A2000 will get some attention.
So far all that is done is to remove all leaky batteries and clean the corrosion off the motherboards and ram expansions for A500...
Amiga 1200 Tower Os 3.9
BPPC 603e+ 040-25/200, 256MBram, BVIsionPPC, Indivision AGA MK2.
Amiga 2000 (rev 4.0) Os 1.2/1.3
2088 bridgeboard, 2MB ram card, 2091 SCSI.
Amiga 500+ Os 2.1
Derringer 030, 32MBram, Buddha in sidecar, Indivision ECS.
Amiga CD32
Video decoder