Wither Natami?

[the_leander]

QuikSanz wrote:
@ the_leander

I was the one that wrote "please be civil".
I also wrote "Don't Be Ticking off my neighbors"

Fixed, and my apologies, apparently I didn't hit ctrl c quite hard enough.

QuikSanz wrote:
Unfortunately You are confused. You should never respond in anger. So, OK what is your beef in general? Most folks in EU don't trash like you.

I am Britsh, not European.

I'm also not angry, just saddened at the complete lack of understanding, or rather, wilful ignorance of some.

Here you have in this thread, posts by one of the best coders in the Amiga community, one of the most respected developers of AROS - Piru.

And he is being dismissed like an errant child because his answers aren't the ones some folk want to hear.

What's worse though, is that you have AROS, which is for all intents and purposes, a next generation AmigaOS in both form and function, it's good to go today. And it is being ignored utterly in favour of making, from scratch a whole new OS that'll have "Amiga" stamped on it.

I can't even begin to imagine what AROS developers reading things like that feel - to see their hard work dismissed by people solely because it has the wrong name. Or to be called lazy because it offers the option of running hosted in Linux.

This community really is retarded at times - it has had the answer sat there for yonks, ready to step into the fore, and no one wants it, the terrible thing is it'll be the same for the NatAmi for the most part too...

QuikSanz wrote:
 I can maybe speak for some people that our existing stuff won't last forever. What do we do when that time comes along?

I've already said, several times now what the future is for the Amiga as it stands: UAE, Amithlon (or something that follows the same principles, maybe a hosted derivative of AROS), NatAmi or Minimig.

I've stated that it is however unlikely, given the fractured nature of the community that any product will survive on the meagre earnings that are likely to be had from this community - most, like Hans, have paid up for their dead end systems and are either unwilling or unable to fork up for something else.

I've stated that the NatAmi could well end up being a big hit with developers of fpgas, same goes for Minimig, and if marketed to those groups will likely become commercial successes ensuring their survival, which in turn, is good for users of original equipment looking for a replacement.

But I feel the community as a whole I think will ignore it, just like they have with AROS.

QuikSanz wrote:
I have a PC for new games but it's no Amiga.

Chris

Honest to goodness, look on ebay for Amithlon. If you can, get it.

You seriously will not regret it. You thought an A1 was fast, try an Amithlon equipped PC, it'll feel just like the real thing, only faster then greased lightning. It'll also offer better compatability with older software since it'll be running a 3.x series OS rather then 4.0.

Failing that, ask someone who has a copy, or can get copies in private if they can run a copy off for you.

That, or have a look at Elive. Yes, it's linux, but it really is a sight to behold and use, by far the slickest OS I have ever come across, and I've used a few. Better then Ubuntu imho, fast even on (seriously) old hardware.

[Firedawg]

@the_leander

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the_leander wrote:

"Or, you can continue false hope in a second coming and you'll eventually either end up like Athiest and a short step away from a nut house, or you'll have to face crushing disappointment when you realise all your energy was wasted."
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Your debate with amigadave on this thread is most interesting as in explaining the obvious current market and economics woes of the very small Amiga community and those that are trying very hard to support it.

But, what is most interesting that you would make a statement as quoted above and expose your own ignorance into something apparently you have little belief or knowledge about. I would suggest Sir that you remain on topic of this thread and take keep your comments concerning others religious beliefs to the General Chat forum under Philosophy and Religion. There you can discuss your statements freely.  

I'm sure you will understand.......  

[the_leander]

amigadave wrote:

QuikSanz wrote:
@amigadave,

Yeh, Trolls, Whats a person to do? Forget about it.

Chris

Yeah, I am done with that lying, waste of time, fool that can't even get his facts straight.

Lying eh? Prove it.

amigadave wrote:
It is a joke that he thinks he is here to save all our poor souls from our wayward path. :lol:

You're right, no one can save you from wasting your time and pi$$ing on (not a typo) developers.

amigadave wrote:
If he had read any of my other 1650+ posts here on these forums, he would know that I am not one of the blind zealots of the Amiga community, but he has a burr up his arse and won't get up to dig it out and pull his head out with it.

Really? You say you don't care what the name is, so long as it's amiga-like, ok, AROS, Haiku there you go. But then you go on to say that you want something completely new, replicating the work both of these projects have done and have the Amiga name.

To which I have asked repeatedly: Why?

[the_leander]

Firedawg wrote:

Your debate with amigadave on this thread is most interesting as in explaining the obvious current market and economics woes of the very small Amiga community and those that are trying very hard to support it.

Glad you've enjoyed it.

Firedawg wrote:
But, what is most interesting that you would make a statement as quoted above and expose your own ignorance into something apparently you have little belief or knowledge about.

There is no ignorance, just cold, hard, generally unforgiving fact. Read my previous post and you might get a better feel for where I'm comming from on this.

Firedawg wrote:
I would suggest Sir that you remain on topic of this thread and take keep your comments concerning others religious beliefs to the General Chat forum under Philosophy and Religion. T

Aaahhh, nonono...

Athiest is a well known (well, I thought he was, seems I was wrong on this) Amiga fanatic, it was not a comment about a person's religious or lack of belief.

Don't believe me? Go on moobunny, he posts there as athiest2. He's from Canada, and possibly one of the single most single minded (almost to the point of parody) amiga nuts you will ever come across. To this guy, an A500 will pwn any pc ever made in terms of performance, in fact, no, I really can't do him justice - just take a look, he should be due to pop in a couple of months given the last time he did and assuming he stays on shedule.

I believe he was banned from this board a number of years ago, was also banned on AW and amigans... Not sure if he was banned on anything else amiga related, but it wouldn't surprise me.

[amigadave]

"Lying?"

Misquoting me, then accusing me of the mistake you made.  I received no apology.

"Why?"

I have answered you several times, but you don't like the answers, so you ignore it and go on spreading your misinformation to deflect what I am saying.

"....." & "phttt"

Great responses to questions or statements that you can't deal with. (Snide or Sarcastic, I don't care what you think by now)

When AROS, AmigaOS4.x, Haiku, or any other OS shows me something that I want to use and can't get on any other OS, I will be glad to support them.  Until then, I have chosen MorphOS2.x as the OS I will support, as well as the MiniMig and NatAmi projects.  I will do what ever I can to move MOS2.x forward, until something so amazing comes along to replace it (for me).

The next OS I have been writing about is the next quantum leap above where we are now with any OS, but that leap will mean different things to you than it does to me because you are so far off from understanding where I am coming from.  Hence, when a shift of paradigm comes for me, you may not even recognize or acknowledge it.  I don't want the next Windows OS, I want the next AmigaOS, and yes, I don't care what it is called, but, as I have stated before, I would prefer an Open Source OS called Amiga with AInc. dead, buried and forgotten.

[the_leander]

amigadave wrote:
"Lying?"

Misquoting me, then accusing me of the mistake you made.  I received no apology.

And you'll get none, not because you're not deserving of it, but because you chose to add that snide remark before it.

amigadave wrote:
"Why?"

I have answered you several times, but you don't like the answers, so you ignore it and go on spreading your misinformation to deflect what I am saying.

BS.. This post however...

amigadave wrote:
"....." & "phttt"

Great responses to questions or statements that you can't deal with. (Snide or Sarcastic, I don't care what you think by now)

Yes they are, I hope they got across just how pathetic and beneath every reader who had the misfortune of having their eyes role over such drivel. They were worthy of no fuller response.

amigadave wrote:
When AROS, AmigaOS4.x, Haiku, or any other OS shows me something that I want to use and can't get on any other OS, I will be glad to support them.

That in of itself isn't an issue.

amigadave wrote:
 Until then, I have chosen MorphOS2.x as the OS I will support, as well as the MiniMig and NatAmi projects.  I will do what ever I can to move MOS2.x forward, until something so amazing comes along to replace it (for me).

Good for you on picking MorphOS, I hope it does what you need of it.

amigadave wrote:
The next OS I have been writing about is the next quantum leap above where we are now with any OS, but that leap will mean different things to you than it does to me because you are so far off from understanding where I am coming from.

Pretty sure Bloodline suggested you take a peak at Singularity. Honestly I'd back this up - it really had some cool ideas (I know, microsoft... the amiga user in me died a little to admit that, the irony is that they dropped possibly the only truly innovative project they've ever had in order to concentrate on Vista and Windows 7).

Flip side though is that they are giving what they had away for people to go over.

If BeOS or AmigaOS were to be built today, using cutting edge OS ideology, they would probably have followed a similar path to that of Singularity.

Some of the concepts that they were trying to put together... Damn it would have made for an awsome piece of software...

amigadave wrote:
 Hence, when a shift of paradigm comes for me, you may not even recognize or acknowledge it.  

The next big thing is here, so to speak, it's things like the Netbook, like the iPhone, it's mobility in all its many forms.

Now, I'll be the first to admit that no one has got it totally right yet, there are some that have it more right then others - I think using linux isn't an inherently bad move, but, it is a bit of a tight squeeze on some of the lower end Netbooks, it is interesting that something like the ill fated BeIA would probably have been ideal in such a form factor as a NetBook...

amigadave wrote:
I don't want the next Windows OS, I want the next AmigaOS, and yes, I don't care what it is called, but, as I have stated before, I would prefer an Open Source OS called Amiga with AInc. dead, buried and forgotten.

Sounds to me that Amiga for you has become something of a holy grail, less about a computer and more of an ideal then anything tangible. Not a bad way to look at things I suppose.

Guess I was wrong about you afterall.

[utri007]

Here in amiga.org are some people who could have great help to this project.

Aros project, kickstart replacement is now really important, natami with reverse engineered kickstart would be free of amiga curse

[the_leander]

utri007 wrote:
Here in amiga.org are some people who could have great help to this project.

Aros project, kickstart replacement is now really important, natami with reverse engineered kickstart would be free of amiga curse

It'd be interesting to see just how well Amiga apps ran under a NatAmi running Aros. I know there is source compatability, but if it's running on a 68k, would it offer binary compatability also?

Anyone?

It'd get around not only the curse, but the legal issues that have blighted Amiga since the current bunch have had ownership of the IP.

Now if it were to offer binary compatability that really would be an awesome crossing of roads.

[utri007]

Just my opinion, Aros is not the answer, it is so far from it original purpose, to be amiga replacement OS

But natami needs to get rid of original amiga kickstarts

[the_leander]

utri007 wrote:
Just my opinion, Aros is not the answer, it is so far from it original purpose, to be amiga replacement OS

How so? I'll concede that I really haven't been following AROS as closely as I would have liked.

I thought it was making great inroads as to becoming a fully fledged 3.1 replacement?

utri007 wrote:
But natami needs to get rid of original amiga kickstarts

Ain't that the truth, then again, removing all tainted IP should be a priority, I can't see A Inc being any more friendly with the NatAmi then they were with Amithlon.

[kolla]

I am Britsh, not European.

And since when is Britain not in Europe?
Sorry, but if you are "Britsh", you are also European :-)

[utri007]

I'm from United States OF Europe

As you all know UK is small part of it

[the_leander]

kolla wrote:

I am Britsh, not European.

And since when is Britain not in Europe?
Sorry, but if you are "Britsh", you are also European :-)

Since when has having political ties or even agreement with a group of countries to form a union require a change of nationality? By your reasoning I would also be Irish, Scottish and Welsh. Hell given all the close nit ties with the US are you going to call me a Yank as well???

But I am none of those. I am just plain old British.

[bloodline]

the_leander wrote:

kolla wrote:

I am Britsh, not European.

And since when is Britain not in Europe?
Sorry, but if you are "Britsh", you are also European :-)

Since when has having political ties or even agreement with a group of countries to form a union require a change of nationality? By your reasoning I would also be Irish, Scottish and Welsh. Hell given all the close nit ties with the US are you going to call me a Yank as well???

But I am none of those. I am just plain old British.

I happen to be British also, and I too would perfer to not be refered to as European... because I'm not.

[bloodline]

the_leander wrote:

utri007 wrote:
But natami needs to get rid of original amiga kickstarts

Ain't that the truth, then again, removing all tainted IP should be a priority, I can't see A Inc being any more friendly with the NatAmi then they were with Amithlon.

If only Bernie had used AROS in Amithlon, then he wouldn't have needed to go near Amiga Inc... but in the end it wasn't Ainc that killed Amithlon (since he could have gone the AmigaForever route)... it was H&P that killed it.

[bloodline]

the_leander wrote:

utri007 wrote:
Here in amiga.org are some people who could have great help to this project.

Aros project, kickstart replacement is now really important, natami with reverse engineered kickstart would be free of amiga curse

It'd be interesting to see just how well Amiga apps ran under a NatAmi running Aros. I know there is source compatability, but if it's running on a 68k, would it offer binary compatability also?

Anyone?

Yes, that's right :-)