3G iPhone

[bloodline]

smithy wrote:
bloodline wrote:

Come on, I know you and you are not stupid, so don't act stupid just to prove your point!

I was referring to the market fit that the Amiga and the iPhone have.

The Amiga brought together a collection of  technologies and integrated them into a single package in a way that was right for the market.

Yes, the Amiga brought together technologies that had previously only been seen on high-end workstations, added a lot of its own technology to the mix, and entered a market with no real comparative competitor for years to come.

After a quick wiki of the the available machines from 1980 onwards... the Amiga didn't offer anything new... I was going to suggest the Operating system... but between the Sinclair QL nd the Apple Mac... the Amiga had nothing new.

The iPhone does none of these three things.

At launch there were already half a dozen phones on the market that do the same thing.  It has no technological advantage over its equivalents from Sony Ericsson and the like.

At Launch there were plenty of machines with the capabilities as the Amiga... And the Amiga was too expensive to catch on... as soon as Commodore Cost reduced the machine to the A500... that's when it took off.

The iPhone has done the same... Had Commodore been as good at marketing as Apple are... the Amiga might have been here now.

Indeed, as you rightly point out, the hype around the iPhone is due to marketing, not technology.  Technofashion has driven the iPhone's sales, not technology.  That's the polar opposite to Amiga.

It might not be the same, but it is equivalent, the Market is not the same as it was in 1985... And Apple have done exactly what the market wanted.

[quarkx]

bloodline wrote:


It might not be the same, but it is equivalent, the Market is not the same as it was in 1985... And Apple have done exactly what the market wanted.

 :laughing: OMG! "Apple have done what the MARKET Wanted?" I think not! If you do a little research, APPLE did not even build or design the I-phone, but subcontracted everything to HTC. Even your so called MAC OSX is nothing more than BSD re-branded. Apple could have re-launched a brick phone from 1990 and it would have sold EXACTLY the same amount to all the MaC Heads out there. Apple do not re-invent the wheel, they did not do ANYTHING really innovate with the Iphone. It simple was a marketing fad that caught on because of its bling factor. simple
It's only the brain-washed people that cant see the forest for the trees.
APPLE to their credit has a incredible marketing department. and if they launch (or re launch) the newton, it will sell just as many units as the I phones because the MAC heads have to have it.
At the end of the day, it is just a regular piece of technology.simple. This argument is starting to sound like a bunch of crack addicts justifying their addictions.

[A4000_Mad]

Posting from an iPhone up the town in O2 shop
 ;-)  :-D  :-(  :lol:  :oops:

[bloodline]

A4000_Mad wrote:
Posting from an iPhone up the town in O2 shop
 ;-)  :-D  :-(  :lol:  :oops:

BUY BUY BUY :-D

-Edit- Posting from an iPhone too :-)

[A4000_Mad]

bloodline wrote:

BUY BUY BUY :-D

It was more like a case of BYE BYE BYE as I did a runner from the staff :-D

That post took bloody ages and I'm guessing that some kind of prodding stick is recommended instead of using your finger? :-P

I thought I was gonna be stuck online and not be able to log in when I got home, as I couldn't hit the microscopic looking word 'Logout'. Phew!  It's obviously a great gadget but much more practice would be needed for a noob like me to work it properly :-)

[Speelgoedmannetje]

quarkx wrote:

bloodline wrote:


It might not be the same, but it is equivalent, the Market is not the same as it was in 1985... And Apple have done exactly what the market wanted.

 :laughing: OMG! "Apple have done what the MARKET Wanted?" I think not! If you do a little research, APPLE did not even build or design the I-phone, but subcontracted everything to HTC. Even your so called MAC OSX is nothing more than BSD re-branded. Apple could have re-launched a brick phone from 1990 and it would have sold EXACTLY the same amount to all the MaC Heads out there. Apple do not re-invent the wheel, they did not do ANYTHING really innovate with the Iphone. It simple was a marketing fad that caught on because of its bling factor. simple
It's only the brain-washed people that cant see the forest for the trees.
APPLE to their credit has a incredible marketing department. and if they launch (or re launch) the newton, it will sell just as many units as the I phones because the MAC heads have to have it.
At the end of the day, it is just a regular piece of technology.simple. This argument is starting to sound like a bunch of crack addicts justifying their addictions.

It's not about technology, it's what they do with it.
The Palm wasn't technology-wise revolutionary either. Though  how you could use it, made it, say, much more useable.

[bloodline]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:

quarkx wrote:

bloodline wrote:


It might not be the same, but it is equivalent, the Market is not the same as it was in 1985... And Apple have done exactly what the market wanted.

 :laughing: OMG! "Apple have done what the MARKET Wanted?" I think not! If you do a little research, APPLE did not even build or design the I-phone, but subcontracted everything to HTC. Even your so called MAC OSX is nothing more than BSD re-branded. Apple could have re-launched a brick phone from 1990 and it would have sold EXACTLY the same amount to all the MaC Heads out there. Apple do not re-invent the wheel, they did not do ANYTHING really innovate with the Iphone. It simple was a marketing fad that caught on because of its bling factor. simple
It's only the brain-washed people that cant see the forest for the trees.
APPLE to their credit has a incredible marketing department. and if they launch (or re launch) the newton, it will sell just as many units as the I phones because the MAC heads have to have it.
At the end of the day, it is just a regular piece of technology.simple. This argument is starting to sound like a bunch of crack addicts justifying their addictions.

It's not about technology, it's what they do with it.
The Palm wasn't technology-wise revolutionary either. Though  how you could use it, made it, say, much more useable.

I avoided quarkx's post because it was so wrong my eyes started to bleed when I read it...

[quarkx]

bloodline wrote:

I avoided quarkx's post because it was so wrong my eyes started to bleed when I read it...

The truth hurts- nothing wrong at all with my post!

[bloodline]

quarkx wrote:

bloodline wrote:

I avoided quarkx's post because it was so wrong my eyes started to bleed when I read it...

The truth hurts- nothing wrong at all with my post!

Err... it started with the factual error and went down hill from there..

[smithy]

quarkx wrote:
APPLE to their credit has a incredible marketing department. and if they launch (or re launch) the newton, it will sell just as many units as the I phones because the MAC heads have to have it.
At the end of the day, it is just a regular piece of technology.simple. This argument is starting to sound like a bunch of crack addicts justifying their addictions.

Partly true, but Apple's recent success is not thanks to the Macheads.  Remember, back in the 90s, Apple was going down the toilet.

They brought Jobs back who packaged up all new Apples in funky & cool looking cases and packaging and managed to create a fashion icon with the Apple brand.  Nowadays, you still have the Macheads, but there is another layer of loyal Apple fanboys (as opposed to Mac fanboys - and dare I say, we've witnessed some of them in this thread ;-) ) who drool over such things as the IPhone and its entirely useless brother the phoneless-iphone that is the iTouch.

edit:
If I was a Machead, by the way, I'd be most displeased.  Every new MacCon event (or whatever they're called) they unveil some new Apple gadget rather than something exciting like a new Mac external drive, doubly gaulling that it's a MAC event not an Apple event(!).  It does seem that the focus is being taken away from the Mac.

[ZeBeeDee]

My old trusty Nokia 3310 does everything I need from a phone ... I can make and receive calls, send and receive texts - what more do I need?

I have a brand new N95, still sealed in it's box,  just sitting gathering dust on a shelf in my home office/computer room ... one day I might even let it see the light of day once my 3310 dies an honorable death.

[bloodline]

smithy wrote:

quarkx wrote:
APPLE to their credit has a incredible marketing department. and if they launch (or re launch) the newton, it will sell just as many units as the I phones because the MAC heads have to have it.
At the end of the day, it is just a regular piece of technology.simple. This argument is starting to sound like a bunch of crack addicts justifying their addictions.

Partly true, but Apple's recent success is not thanks to the Macheads.  Remember, back in the 90s, Apple was going down the toilet.

Commodity hardware has saturated the Geek market... there is no way you can sell computer system to computer geeks anymore.

They brought Jobs back who packaged up all new Apples in funky & cool looking cases and packaging and managed to create a fashion icon with the Apple brand.  

If you want to sell complete computer systems, then you have to appeal to the mass market. I have nothing but respect for Jobs being able to sell the original iMac... it was technologically retarded, PPC and MacOS 8... but he knew how to make them popular.

Nowadays, you still have the Macheads, but there is another layer of loyal Apple fanboys (as opposed to Mac fanboys - and dare I say, we've witnessed some of them in this thread ;-) ) who drool over such things as the IPhone and its entirely useless brother the phoneless-iphone that is the iTouch.

"MacHeads" won't sell you computers... fanboys won't sell you computers... you need to appeal to the common man to sell computers.

If you want a media player, do you buy the one with the most highly developed media infrastructure, the best interface and full PDA functionality... or do you buy a product just because it doesn't have an Apple logo on it?

edit:
If I was a Machead, by the way, I'd be most displeased.  Every new MacCon event (or whatever they're called) they unveil some new Apple gadget rather than something exciting like a new Mac external drive, doubly gaulling that it's a MAC event not an Apple event(!).  It does seem that the focus is being taken away from the Mac.

You can't sell computers like that any more... this is why you are where you are and why Steve Jobs is one of the most sucessful business men in history!

The computer is a commodity device now... we are not in the 20th century anymore... the 80's were fun, but they are gone.

[A4000_Mad]

ZeBeeDee wrote:
My old trusty Nokia 3310

Awwww! I still have my Nokia 3310 and Nokia 600 as backup phones. The 3310 was an amazing step up from my Philips C12 which had just one line of text. Then the 6600 was unbelievably amazing step up from the 3310. My whole family ended up buying them :-)

ZeBeeDee wrote:

I have a brand new N95, still sealed in it's box, just sitting gathering dust

 :-o  :-o  :-o OPEN IT UP FOR GOODNESS SAKE MAN!!

Buy an 8GB memory card off the Internet for £23.90. Use the N95's 5megapixel camera to take awsome pix. Set it to 'Close-up mode' for Hi Res shots of things like mobo components etc. Put it in video mode and use it as a camcorder to record your loved ones in DVD-Like quality. Put in MP3's of your favourite music and make the most of its stereo speakers.

If not, I'll have it please :-D

[bloodline]

A4000_Mad wrote:

Buy an 8GB card off the Internet for £23.90. Use the N95's 5megapixel camera to take awsome pix. Set it to 'Close-up mode' for Hi Res shots of things like mobo components etc. Put it in video mode and use it as a camcorder to record your loved ones in DVD-Like quality. Put in MP3's of your favourite music and make the most of its stereo speakers.

If not, I'll have it please :-D

I have to agree, the quality of the N95's camera is great... if for not for any other reason, use the N95 for its camera!

[ZeBeeDee]

A4000_Mad wrote:
 :-o  :-o  :-o OPEN IT UP FOR GOODNESS SAKE MAN!!

Buy an 8GB memory card off the Internet for £23.90. Use the N95's 5megapixel camera to take awsome pix. Set it to 'Close-up mode' for Hi Res shots of things like mobo components etc. Put it in video mode and use it as a camcorder to record your loved ones in DVD-Like quality. Put in MP3's of your favourite music and make the most of its stereo speakers.

If not, I'll have it please :-D

I've got a Pentax Super ME 35mm camera with interchangeable lenses (i have standard 35mm right upto a 200mm lens) for pictures that even for 1978 technology, pee's all over today's digital camera's.   :-)

My PC is connected to a Dolby 5.1 surround system for my musical tastes (work from home so don't need music on the move).

Oh, one last thing ... no you can't have the N95 so ner ner :lol:

[A4000_Mad]

@ ZeBeeDee

Sorry mate! I imagined you sitting there with your 3310 and something like a ZX Spectrum on a black and white TV ;-)

Didn't really want the dusty old N95 anyway  :-P