MorphOS 2.0 Released

[bloodline]

Tempest wrote:

So the Quark kernel of MOS doesn't slow the emulation of 68k programs down... but the Linux kernel (or WinNT kernel) does?

How do you figure that? Do you even know how an Operating system works?

UAE has to emulate everything of an Amiga, MorphOS only emulates the processor, that's a big difference! Do 'you' know how an OS works?

Select RTG, set the Chipset emulation to lowest priority and least accurate emulation... use the JIT and set the CPU to emulation to run as "fast as possible"... a modern CPU is so powerful the few wasted cycles are hardly anything worry about.

If you paid the same money on PC components that you do in the MOS system... you would not experience this unresponsiveness...

I've got an up to date system, thank you very much. I'm running Debian Unstable fully optimized to my needs. Don't get me wrong my main OS is Linux, I'm not an Amiga zealot, I use Amiga(like) systems for fun.

Try WinUAE then, it's better than E-UAE :-P

Anyway, I don't see how the responsiveness (whatever that actually means) of the system actually makes it more useful...

Which is the crux of my argument, and what I was asking you to justify...

Ooh, I've answered you pretty well I think, you are just not open for reasonable arguments.

I assure you I am reasonable. The problem is that I sit right in the middle.. reality I call it... and don't see eye to eye with the zealots... The good ones who support new Amiga products but do irrationally, or the bad ones who are just plain weird (Like Atheist).

Please do

I won't be bothering you again, go play with your UAE and be happy.

Your loss, not mine. I will and do use UAE to run the few remaining bits of software that are still relevant and all my old games.

You obvisously aren't openminded enough to apreciate anything else than your beloved OS, be it Windows, MacOS or Linux.

My beloved OS being AmigaOS 1.3... I can't use it for anything but I still love it... it was my first, you never really stop loving your first. My favorite... probably OSX as it's the most useful to me.

[bloodline]

TheMagicM wrote:
@bloodline/all:

if you're happy with UAE by all means, use it and quit griping about MOS since you're not going to use/buy it anyway.

As far as what Amiga OS software runs on MOS, there isnt a definitive list.  Do you think MOS Devel sat down and installed every single application to verify its compatibility?  No, thats not their job.  itix answered it well, "MOS can run system friendly (RTG/RTA) Amiga software starting from Kickstart 1.0".    

The years long whine "I can get an (insert cpu) and run *UAE at (insert speed factor) times the speed of (insert system)".  Well then go get it.  I dont see you spending any money on any Amiga hardware.  (Refer back to my first sentence up top).  I bet you didnt even buy a AmigaOne when it came out.  (refer back to my first sentence up top)

So it all boils down to...you wouldnt buy MOS even if it was for $125 because then you'd need an EFIKA, a case, a graphics card and a hard drive...and you'd whine about that too.  

EDIT:
The EFIKA runs circles around the best, top of the line Amiga.  You want a compact OS like AmigaOS, well its arrived.

Ok, fair point.

I just don't understand why... And I don't like not understanding.

[pixie]

That's not true... the JIT on my Dual core 2.33Ghz Core2Duo is going to be faster than a JIT on any PPC... and UAE will allow hardware hitting Apps.

Well you should consider that UAE only use one core (I happen to have a quad core I know the woes of multi cores regarding uae), so you're already wasting 1 core, then you still doesn't have all the core available for uae. You should also know by now that 68k apps can access ppc libraries transparently, and knowing that most have a mos reimplementation you'll soon see that it boosts a lot 68k apps, something that's not doable in uae.

[pixie]

motorollin wrote:

zyphoid wrote:
the least they could have done was to reply..! I called and it seems that they don't.. Sorry mate  :-(

Thanks for checking! What did they actually say?

--
moto

You'll probably like to know this then:

Want an Efika? I've got a bunch of 'em. Plus Pico PSUs & 9250s prefit into 5.25" cases. ausppc@gmail.com

It's ausppc sig one member of morphzone

[TheMagicM]

@bloodline:

My post wasnt intended as a "stay out and stfu" either.  Dont want you to take it the wrong way.

Some people have valid points when it comes to MOS price.  I'm going to pay the $250 price because I'm putting my race car back together, getting married Aug 2nd, honeymoon 2 weeks later, have kids..so registering MOS will happen in August for me.


But the argument of this is faster than that, why run this? Comparing a full featured OS like OSX, Windows, Linux, just isn't fair.  The Amiga world turns slow..it takes a while for things to happen.  :-)

EDIT:
notice how I didnt say what year I will register MOS?  Yea, now THEY have to wait on us users!!  :crazy:  :lol:  :lol:

[redrumloa]

The EFIKA runs circles around the best, top of the line Amiga. You want a compact OS like AmigaOS, well its arrived.

I would believe that, of course with the exception of Pegasos I & Pegasos II.

[TheMagicM]

@red:

I'm glad I said Amiga and not Pegasos.     :crazy:  ;-)

[redrumloa]

TheMagicM wrote:
@red:

I'm glad I said Amiga and not Pegasos.     :crazy:  ;-)

Now you are splitting hairs :-P

Ok "Amiga compatible"

[bloodline]

TheMagicM wrote:
@bloodline:

My post wasnt intended as a "stay out and stfu" either.  Dont want you to take it the wrong way.

No, but I am unnecessarily and unintentionally winding people up... No one here is really give good answers (probably because the purchase of such  a system is irrational) it is probably best for me to quieten down.

Some people have valid points when it comes to MOS price.  I'm going to pay the $250 price because I'm putting my race car back together, getting married Aug 2nd, honeymoon 2 weeks later, have kids..so registering MOS will happen in August for me.


But the argument of this is faster than that, why run this? Comparing a full featured OS like OSX, Windows, Linux, just isn't fair.  The Amiga world turns slow..it takes a while for things to happen.  :-)
 

Well, In the past I criticized AOS4.0 because unlike MOS (which came with the PEG or could be DL for free for PowerUP boards) and AROS, one had to pay for it... which I felt was stupid and fleecing Amiga users... I would be a hypocrite if I didn't offer similar objection to this news.

If the MOS team were to release some amazing Music or Video editing program tomorrow which was a totally radical approach to such work... and they tied it to MOS... in an instant the price becomes justified, for example.

[adolescent]

@Moto

Re: Directron

I think they have stock, just give them a bit more time (they might be on holiday a day early).  As a matter of fact I just got my tracking number today.  :-D  

BTW, for some reason on the case/motherboard combos they charge $85 for non-Canadian international orders.  I'd be happy to forward a package along if they try something like that on the motherboard only (or if they never respond...).  I'm sure some the Texans here would be willing to help too.

[TheMagicM]

What do you'all think of this case:

http://tinyurl.com/yox33w

[TheMagicM]

@bloodline:

Well, In the past I criticized AOS4.0 because unlike MOS (which came with the PEG or could be DL for free for PowerUP boards) and AROS, one had to pay for it... which I felt was stupid and fleecing Amiga users... I would be a hypocrite if I didn't offer similar objection to this news.

Surely you dont expect everything for the Amiga to be free do you?  I'm kinda annoyed at the $250 price but I'm not going to pass up on it.  Can it do what I want it to RIGHT NOW?  Yes.  

I am going to put my EFIKA together and bring it up to the Austin Amiga user group (hopefully alot more people go..lol) along w/my 22" LCD and do a demo.  I have alot of Amiga software.. (alot is a understatement..) so I can probably test quite a bit of things out after I xfer it from Amiga to USB stick..

[amigadave]

bloodline wrote:

TheMagicM wrote:
@bloodline:

My post wasnt intended as a "stay out and stfu" either.  Dont want you to take it the wrong way.

No, but I am unnecessarily and unintentionally winding people up... No one here is really give good answers (probably because the purchase of such  a system is irrational) it is probably best for me to quieten down.

Just because you do not agree with the answers does not mean that they are not valid for the people offering them to you, and I might add for the majority of the Amiga addicts here.  One could argue that any Amiga or Amiga like purchase or development is irrational, but that is not going to stop us from enjoying the many different choices.

Some people have valid points when it comes to MOS price.  I'm going to pay the $250 price because I'm putting my race car back together, getting married Aug 2nd, honeymoon 2 weeks later, have kids..so registering MOS will happen in August for me.


But the argument of this is faster than that, why run this? Comparing a full featured OS like OSX, Windows, Linux, just isn't fair.  The Amiga world turns slow..it takes a while for things to happen.  :-)
 

Well, In the past I criticized AOS4.0 because unlike MOS (which came with the PEG or could be DL for free for PowerUP boards) and AROS, one had to pay for it... which I felt was stupid and fleecing Amiga users... I would be a hypocrite if I didn't offer similar objection to this news.

If the MOS team were to release some amazing Music or Video editing program tomorrow which was a totally radical approach to such work... and they tied it to MOS... in an instant the price becomes justified, for example.[/quote]

There are many that think because the Amiga and MOS userbase is so small everything should now be free.  That makes no sense to me.  The developers have never said that they were doing all this work just for their own enjoyment with no plans to try to recoup some/all of their investment in time and equipment.

What the developers have done is provide a more modern OS that is "Amiga-like", can run much of the legacy Amiga programs and gives the rest of the few remaining Amiga developers something to build new applications on that will run many times faster than the aging Classic Amiga hardware.

So now maybe some good applications will show up in time.  There is also hope that MOS2.0 will be ported to faster hardware that is easily available at a reasonable price, like used PPC Macs.  I would love to see MorphOS2.0 optimized to run on the G5 Mac hardware.  Given that MOS2.0 is tiny and lightning fast compared to any Mac OS and the fact that Amiga developers have always been able to create small fast code for applications, we could see some great advances in the areas of application development over the next few years while the OS is moved to the next level and ported to something exciting like Cell or what ever is next in CPU development.

In short, MorphOS2.0 is a step in the right direction, and NO, I am not talking about the Amiga or MorphOS overtaking Windows or MacOS in the next ten years.  I am talking about survival and actually some kind of growth after years of decline.

[zyphoid]

motorollin wrote:

zyphoid wrote:
the least they could have done was to reply..! I called and it seems that they don't.. Sorry mate  :-(

Thanks for checking! What did they actually say?

--
moto

Just that they didn't do international orders for eg. England,Germany.  Sorry for the delay, I was on the road.

[rzookol]

itix answered it well, "MOS can run system friendly (RTG/RTA) Amiga software starting from Kickstart 1.0".

bcpl programs are not supported

[Crumb]

The EFIKA runs circles around the best, top of the line Amiga. You want a compact OS like AmigaOS, well its arrived.

Sorry for nitpicking... but a CSPPC with Deneb is both more expensive and faster on IO operations :-) USB2 is much faster and HD is much faster too. gfx operations and number crunching is weaker on classics.

Of course, for the price of such an equipment you could buy a complete Peg2/G4 with MorphOS2.0 that would run rings over both computers :-D