MorphOS 2.0 Released

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cv643d wrote:

Port it for MacPPC and charge 200 euro!

And why not 2000€?

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stefcep2 wrote:

ffastback wrote:
@bloodline

bloodline wrote:

People on here talk about small dev teams and small volume sold to justify a high price... but, it's hard to accept when it is essentially just a luxuary item, not something that one actually needs!

No one "needs" anything Amiga related anymore.  We could all be spending very little to run Ubuntu machines only at home.  Of course we could all eat tuna out of cans to save money and not go to any nice restaurants every once and a while.  We could all trade in the cars some of us own to get 60 MPG on a vespa scooter.  We could tell our wives that they never "need" a nice handbag from Coach.  Whats your bloody point?

 No one said it was a "need".  Its a luxury item as you say and its not making itself out to be anything but that.  Sure it can be a useful one, but a luxury item nonetheless.  The big difference is, while Coach makes a bundle on the handbag, and the ritzy restaurant makes a bundle on your meal, the MOS team is likely taking a loss on this whole affair.  The way you talk it would seem your advice to them would be not to develop anything at all.  Its a hobby and hobbies cost money, especially ones that have a small amount of hobbyists.

By "need" I think he meant is it of any use.  An operating system is no more than a means for running software.

Yes, this is my point. The only reason to Run AmigaOS, for me, is to run certain applications that require it... But I can run AmigaOS on my A1200 or UAE (more often than not)...

Therefore what "What runs on it?" is a legitimate question,in the context of what an operating system's purpose for existing is.

What we need for MOS is a "killer app" that needs MOS to run... that would justify its high price.

I bought a £1000 Mac with OSX 10.4... just to run Logic Pro 7.1 (the software itself costing ~£1000 at the time). Apple made Logic Pro OSX only, I had no choice but to switch to OSX.

No-one NEEDS expensive jewellery: it IS a luxury item that serves no purpose other than as an adornment, but nobody expects anything else from it either.

An OS is not the same thing. Amiga's are still useful eg to play old games that only run on AmigaOS, to use productivity software that runs only on AmigaOS.  Sure there maybe better alternatives,but thats not the point.  Whether you can do ANY of this with Morphos is the question. YOU might consider it a worthwhile hobby to just be able to start up an OS so as to open and close a few directories, and gaze at the pretty icons and backdrops, for most other people the novelty will wear off pretty quickly if thats ALL you can do with it.  

This paragraph explains exactly my question! €150 for a very pretty system that can't do as much as my Mac (or Win box) and can't run as much software as my AOS3.1 system... that's a cost I find hard to justify.

I think perhaps €40, is the very very most I could spare just to run an OS for the sake of running an OS (bear in mind I also have to buy a new computer to go with it also!)... though... If I want that I just fire up AROS, play with it for 20mins and feel all sad how the Amiga could probably still be here if a few stupid choices were made back in the day...

This question is even more relevant given the fact that its not easy to find out what you can run on Morphos. (I tried before posting)  Thankfully (eventually) someone posted a link.

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redrumloa wrote:
~$99 for an Efika and ~$160 for MorphOS? That sounds like a no-brainer to me!

Uber-expensive! They could charge 800$ and there would be BMF defending the price/distribution scheme. They'll tell you MorphOS2.0 won't make them rich but they insist in reducing the number of possible sales charging 3 times more than they should charge.

[redrumloa]

JKD wrote:

by redrumloa on 2008/7/1 19:17:23

~$99 for an Efika and ~$160 for MorphOS? That sounds like a no-brainer to me!

Where'd the $160 price come from? 110 or 150 EUR is way more than that currently  :-?

You are correct, I just did a quick estimate in my head and I was off.

EURUSD=X   115   1.5793   181.6252

[Faerytale]

I think the ridiculous high price tag on MOS 2.0 will make it less appealing to buyers and newcomers.

A lower pricetag would make all winners at the end.

 

[redrumloa]

Crumb wrote:
Uber-expensive! They could charge 800$ and there would be BMF defending the price/distribution scheme. They'll tell you MorphOS2.0 won't make them rich but they insist in reducing the number of possible sales charging 3 times more than they should charge.

115EUR/180USD is uber-expensive for our market? A market that saw an Open Source Quake II port sell for $70?

Any way you slice it they won't sell but a couple hundred units. Yeah, it is high for what it is, but at least there is something to buy NOW. New hardware to buy for $99 and OS for under $200. With shipping, a NG Am*OS solution for under $300. Sure as hell beats a second hand, slower, sketchy CyberstormPPC based big box Amiga or time bomb, flakey , second hand AmigaOne for 8-10 times the price.

[spihunter]

I think the ridiculous high price tag on MOS 2.0 will make it less appealing to buyers and newcomers.  A lower pricetag would make all winners at the end.

I cant belive all the B#*$%ing & moaning I'm seeing all over the place about the price.

You guys must never try and buy Amiga stuff at its current market value. This is a steal for a modernized AmigaOS on $99 hardware thats faster then the old PPC boards.

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spihunter wrote:

I think the ridiculous high price tag on MOS 2.0 will make it less appealing to buyers and newcomers.  A lower pricetag would make all winners at the end.

I cant belive all the B#*$%ing & moaning I'm seeing all over the place about the price.

You guys must never try and buy Amiga stuff at its current market value. This is a steal for a modernized AmigaOS on $99 hardware thats faster then the old PPC boards.

To do what with it?

It is a high price when I can do more with my existing Amiga and Mac/Win machines... my point is that the MOS team need a killer app...

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redrumloa wrote:
You are correct, I just did a quick estimate in my head and I was off.

EURUSD=X   115   1.5793   181.6252

But we don't pay the 19% EU VAT so your original price is a closer.

[TNovosel]

MorphOs on my Efika board run pretty good. Gui is fast and looking very nice. I have some bugs (system freezes 3-4 times without any reason). Everything other working nice and stable, and I will buy Mos2.0 100%.
Only, I don't know how to make Mos boot without typing "boot ide:0 boot.img" :-?

Mos20 rulez!!!!!

Thank you MOS team!!!!

PS:
Oh, I love just to looking that sweet screen blankers!!!! :lol:

[TheDaddy]

Any games or programs written for MOS?

Which Quake runs on it? Any other?

Thanks

[stefcep2]

spihunter wrote:

I think the ridiculous high price tag on MOS 2.0 will make it less appealing to buyers and newcomers.  A lower pricetag would make all winners at the end.

I cant belive all the B#*$%ing & moaning I'm seeing all over the place about the price.

You guys must never try and buy Amiga stuff at its current market value. This is a steal for a modernized AmigaOS on $99 hardware thats faster then the old PPC boards.

I think a lot of the excitement generated by this release is related to the wishful thinking of most of us that there may, just may, be a second amiga coming.  Unfortunately our relity is that we have a duopoly of sorts in the commercial OS market, neither of which give us the freedom to really do what we want with out computers as AmigaOS once did, and the the open-source community is wasting resources releasing ever more Linux distros which no-one will ever use, mainly because it it the least intuitive OS of the lot.  And as far as Ubuntu goes its in danger of being the VHS, or the Windows of the Linux world: dominant but inferior.

[Tempest]

@ TheDaddy

There are a lot of games for MOS:

Just to name a few: Virtual Grand Prix, Quake 1,2,3, Hexen, Hexen 2, Heretic2, Hypercannon, Freespace 1&2, Neverball, Openarena, OpenTD, ScummVM, Warzone2100 and more.

And of course all the classic PPC games like Wipeout, Payback, Hyperion games etc work fine too.

Lot's of emulators: Atari800, Basilisk2, Dosbox, e-uae, Frodo, genesisplus, FCEU, Hugo, Handy, MAME, Hatari, Snes, STonAmiga,TGEmu and more.

~Salvatore

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[stefcep2]

Tempest wrote:
@ TheDaddy

There are a lot of games for MOS:

Just to name a few: Virtual Grand Prix, Quake 1,2,3, Hexen, Hexen 2, Heretic2, Hypercannon, Freespace 1&2, Neverball, Openarena, OpenTD, ScummVM, Warzone2100 and more.

And of course all the classic PPC games like Wipeout, Payback, Hyperion games etc work fine too.

Lot's of emulators: Atari800, Basilisk2, Dosbox, e-uae, Frodo, genesisplus, FCEU, Hugo, Handy, MAME, Hatari, Snes, STonAmiga,TGEmu and more.
~Salvatore

how well do the emulators work?

[Tempest]

@TheDaddy

Some programs...

Audio: Amigaamp, Aminetradio, BnP, CDPlayer, FreeDB, Hivelutracker, Milkytracker, Proplayer, PSA, Ripper, Sid4Amiga, Songplayer

Graphics: ArtEffect, Blender, fxPaint, fxScan, Gallerius, Picshow, Pixel32, Showgirls, Snapit, SteamDraw, Titler, TVPaint

Internet, AmitradeCenter, Aweb, Beehive, IBrowse, Jbberwocky, Polyglot, Rdesktop, SimpleMail, Sputnik, SSHcon, TwinVNC, VNCServer, Voyager, Wallget, Wookiechat, YAM

Text: Apdf, AutoDocReader, BareED, Microgolded, More, Pointrider, Strange

Video: VLC, Devedie, MenCoder, Mplayer, Visionary

Utils: DirOpus, Diskmaster2, Fragment, LCD monitor test, Logtool, MorphosExec, Morphup, Polynet_NG, Polyorga, Scout, Snoopium, Wetter, VoodooX

And don't forget you can also run lot's of classic Amiga software.

~Salvatore